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Post by itslikeatradeoff on Oct 7, 2004 13:27:20 GMT -5
  Tell Me Why That Is Right??Don't tell me that the media is feeding me lies cause that is proof that Courtney Love let the homeless guy suck on her t*i*t. Im not putting her down for plastic surgery cause I understand lots of celebrities have plastic surgery.Im putting her down for her actions which are not that of a decent role model. I cant believe I need to talk to you people like children when there are a selected few of you in your late 30's. Shes A Bad Mother On More Than Two Accounts But These Are The Two I Shall Bring Up: In late 2003, Courtney Love overdosed on controlled substances while she was supposed to be taking care of her 11 YEAR OLD daughter Frances Bean. These words are straight from the bi*tches mouth "I made it fun for her".Boy I wish my mother had overdosed when I lived with her.I would have had a he11 of a time. While Frances and Courtney were being interviewed for a Mother's Day special Frances pointed out that Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction was "inapropriate" mommy dearest argued "But I show my people my boobs all the time". That is not a good example for my daughter. If you like her music then thats fine (I don't but you can). But when you call her a good person you totally ignore all the horrible things she does.You point out that she's "beautiful", and that she can play good music and paved a way for female rockers, ect. That doesn't make her a good person. |
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Post by itslikeatradeoff on Oct 7, 2004 13:29:18 GMT -5
Im also not putting her down for drug use and Im not putting her down because Im a hopelessy obssessive Nirvana/Kurt Cobain fan. Im putting her down because she is a bad person who is not worthy of having people look up to her.Hopefully no one follows in her footsteps.
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Post by rocket on Oct 8, 2004 13:37:04 GMT -5
I'm a very big nirvana fan as well. HUGE. Kurt loved courtney unconditionaly and it upset him greatly when she got bad press and people said detremental things towards her. Perhaps we should remember that more often.
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Post by Andrea on Oct 8, 2004 14:00:22 GMT -5
Kurt loved Courtney unconditionally? Forgive me, Rocket, but let me just put into perspective what we shouldn't forget.
Before Kurt died, Rosemary Carroll, Kurt and Courtney's lawyer was told by Courtney Love to "find her the meanest, most vicious divorce lawyer that she could find" and as for Kurt he was also busy drawing up the divorce papers and in the process of changing his will to exclude Courtney. So, my dear, from that we can deduce that although Kurt may have loved Courtney at one stage, her certainly didn't at the end. Rosemary Carroll, Dylan Carlson as well others who knew Kurt have all stated that this and it is on the public record. And if this comes as a rude awakening to you, then all you have to do is look at the copies of the police complaints and read for yourself how Kurt once locked himself up in a room 'to keep away from Courtney'...
You really should stop reading those Courtney paid for lie-o-graphies and get into the facts. A xxx
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Post by itslikeatradeoff on Oct 8, 2004 14:46:43 GMT -5
I'm a very big nirvana fan as well. HUGE. Kurt loved courtney unconditionaly and it upset him greatly when she got bad press and people said detremental things towards her. Perhaps we should remember that more often. Yes that's why he was filing for divorce and Courtney was looking for lawyer.Im seeing it now Rocket thank you. |
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Post by itslikeatradeoff on Oct 8, 2004 14:48:40 GMT -5
Nicely said Andrea and oh yeah Rocket tell me why you still think Courtney is great after all of the nuts she did which was apparently not some lies from the media.
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Post by rocket on Oct 8, 2004 14:49:06 GMT -5
I agree that things were not as rosy as they were between the Cobains. Strong eveidence has suggested that theirs was a volitile relationship especially towards the end, and I am aware of the incident when kurt locked himself in the bathroom. I still feel that despite the trumas etc etc of their relationship, he still loved her and she him. Remember the suicide note? Keep 'em comin..... regards rocket  |
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Post by Andrea on Oct 8, 2004 14:55:04 GMT -5
Suicide note? What suicide note? I've seen copies of a note found at Kurts death address to Nirvana fans and containing forged writing at the end, and I heard of another note that he wrote Courtney in Rome stating the reasons why he was leaving her, that she later destroyed because it was so unflattering, but I haven't heard of a suicide note... what did it say?
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Post by itslikeatradeoff on Oct 8, 2004 14:57:28 GMT -5
I agree that things were not as rosy as they were between the Cobains. Strong eveidence has suggested that theirs was a volitile relationship especially towards the end, and I am aware of the incident when kurt locked himself in the bathroom. I still feel that despite the trumas etc etc of their relationship, he still loved her and she him. Remember the suicide note? Keep 'em comin..... regards rocket Hey remember the part that said that Kurt loved Courtney was in a diffrent handwriting and the P's and F's in the letter were indentified as Courtney's. Oh yeah and fu*ck the Kurt thing I wasn't even talking about his death I was talking about Courtney's behavoir and why she's not a suitable role model so dont change the subject I started why do you look up to her why are you a fan of he? |
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Post by itslikeatradeoff on Oct 8, 2004 14:58:20 GMT -5
Suicide note? What suicide note? I've seen copies of a note found at Kurts death address to Nirvana fans and containing forged writing at the end, and I heard of another note that he wrote Courtney in Rome stating the reasons why he was leaving her, that she later destroyed because it was so unflattering, but I haven't heard of a suicide note... what did it say? Its all over the internet |
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Post by HippieChild on Oct 8, 2004 15:47:37 GMT -5
Kurts "Suicide" Note;
Kurt Cobains Suicide Note
[This note means alot to alot of people. It means alot to me, its about time that everyone read it[ it was addressed to "all of you"]]
"Writing from the tongue of an experienced simpleton who obviously would rather be an emasculated, infantile complainee.This note should be easy to understand. All the warnings from the punk rock 101. Curses over the years.
MORE...
Since my first introduction to the ,shall we say, ethics involved with independence and the embracement of your community has proven to be very true. I havent felt the excitement of listening to as well as creating music along with really writing something for too many years now. I feel guilty beyond words about these things, for example when were back stage and the lights go out and the manic roar of the crowd begins it doesnt affect me in the way it did freddy mercury who seemed to love and relish in the love and adoration from the crowd, which is something i admire and envy. The fact is, i cant fool you, any of you it simply isnt fair to you or me. The worst crime i can think of would be to pull people of by faking it and pretending as if im having 100% fun. Sometimes i feel as i should have a punch in time clock before i walk out on stage. Ive tried everything im my power to appreciate it, (and i do, god, believe me i do) but its not enough. I appreciate the fact thaat i and we have entertained a lot of people, i must be one of those narcissists who only appreciate things when they're alone. Im too sensitive. I need to be slightly numb in order to regain the enthusiasm i once had as a child. On our last three tours ive had a much better appreciation of the people ive known personally and as fans of our music, but i still cant get out the frustration, the guilt and empathy i have for everybody. There's good in all of us and i simply love people too much. So much that it makes me feel too f**king sad. The sad and the sensitive, unnapreciative, pisces, jesus man! Why didnt you just enjoy it? I dont want a goddess of a wife who sweats ambition and empathy and a daughter who is twice of what i used to be. Full of love and joy, passing every person she meets smiling is good and will do her no harm. And that terrifies me to the point where i cant go on. I cant stand the thought of francis becoming the miserable, self-destructive not a very nice person that ive become. I have it good, very good and im grateful but since i was seven ive become hateful to all humans in general.. Only because its seems so simpe for people to get along and have empathy, Empathy! Only because i love and feel for people too much, i guess. Thank you all from the pit of my burning nauseous stomach for your letters and concern during the last years, im too much of an erratic, moody person and i dont have the passion anymore, and so remember: its better to burn out than to fade away. Peace, love, empathy (empathy is underlined) Kurt Cobain
(this is the forged part where the handwriting changes)
frances and courtney, Ill be at your altar
Please keep going courtney
for frances
for her life will be so much happier without me
I love you, I LOVE YOU
[Kurt Cobain RIP Feb. 20 1967-Apr 5 1994]
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Post by Andrea on Oct 8, 2004 16:09:18 GMT -5
Sorry guys. You missed my point. What I was trying to say was that I didn't believe that he was a suicide.
As other's have already stated, doesn't this read like a farewell letter to his fans, that perhaps he's just retiring?
It's great that you've put it up, Hippiechild, that way more people will have a chance to see it.
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Post by HippieChild on Oct 8, 2004 17:47:47 GMT -5
Your welcome, Andrea  It doesn't read like a suicide note to me, it reads like a farewell to his fans. The only reference to so-called "suicide" is the last 4 lines which appear to be written in a different hand. I've seen the letter on Tom Grants web-page and a few other pages and there IS a significant difference. I also saw comparisons with Courtney's handwriting and it does look suspicously similar. Hmmm... Another thing; I listened to a tape of Rosemary Carroll talking to Tom Grant and she said that it appeared to have been written at various times in sections and somebody pasted them together, traced it, and added the last four lines. This coming from Courtney Love's own entertainment attorney. I am suspicious. Courtney didn't pull the trigger; she was in LA at the time. But who did and what, if any, is the connection to Courtney? And where is Cali? Why wouldn't he talk to Tom Grant? He took off when Tom wanted to talk to him and refused to take a lie detector test. REOPEN THE CASE, D-AMMIT! We need answers. |
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Post by lovestinksyeahyeah on Oct 8, 2004 20:38:58 GMT -5
yeah its not a suicide note. i guess the thing that makes me the most mad about the whole "suicide" theory is how everyone expected him to be so depressed and suicidal when he never said anything suicide and was said to be very happy but thanks to courtney she fooled everyone into believing rome was a suicide attempt and he was suicidal but she never informed nirvana or kurt's friends. it just makes me so sad to see how much he loved frances, he wouldn't have killed himself and do that to her. she was his world. another thing that bothers me is how because of everyone thinking it was suicide all the copycat suicides that have come from it. its just terrible. kurt never wanted that for his fans. kurt never wanted to die either. i'm so happy to see some cool people on here that are logical like andrea, hippiechild, pigwomancourtney, and itslikeatradeoff.
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Post by PigWomanCourtney on Oct 8, 2004 21:54:40 GMT -5
I never get tired of the piccie @ the top of this thrad! It makes me l-a-u-g-h!!!!
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