Have to agree with JL on this one...I have thought for a long time that there might have been a little "something special" going on with Kurt and Kristen. After Kurt was killed, she became depressed and wanted to leave. Maybe Courtney found out about something special between them? I think Kurt would have certainly left that Monster for Kristen.
I knew Kristen as a child, and I find it disturbing that she is ever referred to as "an unsavory character". She was brilliant, popular, kind, and full of sunshine and promise when we were kids. She was the type of person who just loved people, wanted to be friends. She befriended me when no one else did, and I will never forget that.
I can't believe that even with all of the evidence people still think they killed themselves. Courtney had them both killed, and it makes me sick that that all of these years have gone by and there's still no justice for Kurt or Kristen.
I speak for my daughter Kristen Pfaff in a book i have written entitled "Unfinished Rhapsody- The other side of fame". It is available on Amazon and Kindle. I do not point the finger at anyone. i simply attempt to dignify her memory and help a wide audience, including kids, musicians, parents who have lost loved ones, etc. God is the only one who knows what happened to Kurt and Kristen. He is the only one who can get justice. God bless her fans and those who have supported her and i ask for your continued prayers as I go through life wounded but not defeated.
"Here is the whole article on her death: Info from a family friend of the Pfaff's: I agree with you that Courtney killed Kristen, but a few facts that you got wrong/didn't know. AND none of this came from me...yet anyways. I am a family friend of the Pfaff's and am currently assisting her brother Jason in the production of an independent documentary on her titles X-10 American Sister. First and foremost, Eric Erlandson did not condone to anything other than pot, and thus he repetitively tried to convince Kristen to stay away from drugs and eventually encouraged her to leave Seattle. Both Eric, and other sources have told me that Eric never touched anything other than pot and warned everybody he was around to do the same. Secondly, Courtney came to the funeral against the Pfaff family's wishes. She then apologized to Janet, Kristen's mother and told her it was her fault Kristen was dead. She proceeded to tell Janet that Kristen was 'easier to deal with' when high on heroin, and so she repetitively planted syringes in Kristen's purse to make her relapse. Whether the lying pregnant dog can be trusted or not, she also admitted to shooting up with Kristen between the time she got out of rehab and her death, which would lead the average person to believe Kristen was back on heroin again, although Patty wasn't aware. Kristen was also in Seattle while her whole family was in Buffalo New York where she had grown up. They can't be sure she was clean, because she wasn't going to call them and say 'Hey mom, I started shooting up again.' Lastly, at the funeral she also spoke to Kristen's brother and said nuts that honestly didn't make much sense to him. However, she did say 'What was I going to do? They were bonding in my own f**king kitchen!' when referring to Kurt and Kristen. Sounds like a confession to me, but who knows."
I have read a lot about the death of both Kurt cobain and Kristen pfaff, and to me it sounds like heroin killed both of them, one intentionally and one accidentally. I am a recovering heroin addict and the story of Kristen quitting and using one last time is a situation that happens so often with recovering users, especially recently recovering users such as Kristen was. I hear "three times the lethal dose" a lot in reference to both of the deaths, but what a lot of people don't understand is that a) regular heroin users build up a tolerance over time and determining how lethal of an amount that Kurt shot would be dependent on the strength and frequency in which he used the drug prior to his suicide. Basically there's no way, no chart or frame of reference to consider when determining how the amount of heroin in his body would affect him. Three times the lethal dose for a non-user (and even what would be considered lethal on average in a clinical setting) could be a maintenance dose for someone who is injecting ten bags a day. B) it is SO common, on a personal level I can't even count how many people I have known and done heroin with who would quit, be sober, and even knowing what the dangers could be, would relapse early on into their recovery using the same amount that they were used to while they were completely strung out and die from an overdose. Happens all of the time. Especially in Kristen's case, where she went back to retrieve her belongings in a place where heroin was easily obtained. It's too easy to fall victim to the influence of other junkies when you're trying to get clean. The emotional lure of heroin sticks around for months after a person quits. All it takes is one thought, one proverbial whiff of heroin in the air and a junkie will scramble to chase it. It sucks and it's so sad but it's absolutely true. Junkies also have a habit of re-recruiting addicts in recovery because junkies are selfish, numb human beings who might not intentionally try to cause the relapse or potential death of another addict in recovery, but end up doing so because they just wanted someone to get high with, or whatever the circumstance may be. I think that these two musicians were amazing, talented people who had so much to offer this world and unfortunately they died too soon. A lot of people (understandably) feel a deep emotional reaction to such an injustice and blame is an easy and readily available vessel to express those feelings. It seems like you are giving up to just let the death of an amazing person be without having someone to point the finger at. It's easier and more fulfilling to point the finger at another person instead of an inanimate object like heroin, because you can hold a person accountable and witness justice being done, but with a drug you have to just let it be what it is. You can't arrest heroin, nor can you remove it from the world. And that is painful. Before anyone accuses me of liking Courtney love, let me just say that I f**king cannot stand her. I don't know her on a personal level, but from watching interviews and all of the documentary footage that is both pro and anti Courtney, I can safely say that she is a money hungry, narcissistic psycho. Again, just my opinion. That doesn't necessarily make her a murderer though. There are plenty of crazy pregnant doges in the world who love money, but only a tiny fraction of them utilize murder to get and/or stay ahead in life. As much as it might suck, Kurt cobain committed suicide and Kristen pfaff died of an accidental overdose. Courtney might be poison to those around her in a rhetorical sense, but the poison that killed those two was heroin. I noticed after reading this thread that a lot of you resort to name calling when discussing this topic.. And hopefully no one does that in my case. It probably will. I just wanted to provide an opinion and point of view from someone who was familiar with heroin for a decade and fortunately made it out alive. It's hard for people to understand how deeply heroin affects an addict. Impossible for people who are fortunate enough to never experience addiction on that level. I think that if everyone spent more time, money and other resources trying to investigate how to better help addicts and utilize prevention methods in young people than they do on placing blame, we could significantly reduce the amount of tragedies like these two. Anyway. That's it. Thanks for reading my novel of a response if you took the time to.
i guess it kinda is hard to wrap your head around since she really seemed to be getting her life together, but i think she shot up as a "one last time" type of thing
i think it's possible courtney asked eric to give her the heroin to kill her, and i think it's possible kristen asked eric to go bring her some stuff back (being the cool, tolerant enabler guy that he is)
i've always though courtney had a severe case of borderline personality disorder, and if you looked at what happened with jodi arias, well... kurt was leaving her, kristen was (but so did jill emery and she's not dead...)
what i really wanna know is how close kurt and kristen were...
Too bad none of us will ever know how close Kurt and Kristen were. It seems like it was systematically erased. Whoever even said they were close? Where's the witnesses? Everyone knows about it. Nobody denies it but they won't talk about it either. Kristen herself expressed to her family that she didn't fit in with her new friends, which is possibly why she took to drugs. It's all Patty talked about her in "Hit Son Hard" as if that's the only thing she could remember about the kind of person Kristen was. I don't think anyone in Hole was really her friend, and the whole "boyfriend" thing with Eric was just a coverup that never came from Kristen's lips. They all seem to politely ignore the fact that she cobtributed to the success of "Live Through This" and they don't even mention her unless they're asked directly. I don't trust any of them. They just do what Courtney tells them but I hope one day they'll have enough balls to come out with the truth, although that's terribly optimistic, unless Courtney dies or something. She's so scary, she always gets what she wants... Maybe we'd all like to believe that Kurt and Kristen were soulmates, who had to meet in secret and exchange secret letters, because Courtney was so tyrannical. Seriously, the only proof I know of that Kristen and Kurt were ever in the same room was from Patty's documentary, where there's a two second moment where Kurt's sitting on a chair eating cake and Kristen, who is nearest to him, turn to look at him. That's all, folks.
great to read all the posts and good to know i was not the only one led astray by the media. I had assumed the 2 deaths were unrelated. This event (i believe) really reflects the United States and what its all about. People talk about America saying its the best, we are the freeist, etxc, etc,. This country is not about freedom, not about justice, nor equal right, etc,. etc. In this country if you have got enough money you can get away with murder. This Hole story is a rock & roll 9/11