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Post by HippieChild on Oct 19, 2004 10:23:08 GMT -5
Uh-oh Courtney! She may have been caught plagerising afterall. Was it hers or was it Kurts? You be the judge. I got this from a sight called "what evs (dot org)" Read on:
who knew?
who knew that The Dallas Observer had all kindsa inside scoop on Nirvana? not me. i didn't even know that this paper existed! but that's why I'm working to build a network of FOWs from sea to shining sea...this link comes courtesy of rapidly rising FOW APLarcadia, who is still in my good graces despite his commie pinko rant yesterday. just kidding (schmobvs!). anyvery *friendly* persons, the article I'm talking about reveals that Courtney Hole released the masters of "You Know You're Right" to Interscope and Dave Grohl because Grohl owns a master tape of Nirvana recording all of the songs on "Live Through This". According to the article, "this very tape is the reason Courtney Love settled her suit with Grohl and Novoselic: The Foo Fighters front man actually owns it in its entirety--it was scheduled to be Nirvana's fourth studio album, after In Utero, and both he and Novoselic play on all the sessions--and threatened to release it if Love didn't settle the suit. In fact, test pressings of the Foos' new One by One contained a hidden track that appears to be a 1:32-long montage of the Nirvana 'Won't Live Through This' sessions, as they've come to be known." The other big bomb they drop is that Kurt Cobain actually wrote The Vines' hit song, "Get Free." Apparently a recording exists of Cobain performing this song during an October 1991 in-store appearance. buzz!
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Post by Dylan on Oct 19, 2004 12:18:06 GMT -5
From phoenixnewtimes.com
Originally published by Phoenix New Times Nov 14, 2002
©2004 New Times, Inc. All rights reserved.
Scratching the Surface
The public craves rare Nirvana. Fear not: 'You Know You're Right' is only the beginning.
BY ZAC CRAIN AND ROBERT WILONSKY
Charles Peterson
Late last month, Interscope Records at long last released Nirvana, a 14-song best-of with not only tracks from Bleach, Nevermind, In Utero and Unplugged, but also the long-lost "You Know You're Right." The song, recorded in 1994 by Kurt Cobain, Krist Novoselic and Dave Grohl, had been stalled by litigation that pitted the surviving members of Nirvana against the Widow Cobain, Courtney Love, who has long diminished the roles of the bassist and drummer in order to further line her own pockets. "Grohl? Novoselic? Never heard of 'em," Love said during her appearance last March at the South by Southwest Music Conference in Austin, where she delivered a rambling six-hour treatise on the state of the music industry while chain-smoking Pall Malls and drinking from a flask of kerosene and lemonade.
"Kurt was Nirvana, period. Anyone else who says they were in the band is lying," she insisted, as Los Angeles Times reporter Chuck Phillips cradled Love in his arms on the Austin Convention Center stage.
A few weeks ago, Love, Grohl and Novoselic settled their lawsuit, which paved the way for the release of "You Know You're Right," which made its way to the Internet and rock radio well before its intended release. The song, which sounds like trademark Nirvana -- or, as Grohl said in Spin recently, "Like everything else we ever did, like, ever" -- has also spawned a much-requested MTV video, culled from previously unseen concert and backstage footage, much surreptitiously filmed by Love, who secreted a tiny video camera in her then-ever-present "medicine kit."
"You Know You're Right" remains but a single song amid hundreds of Nirvana recordings alive in the Geffen Records vault and Love's garage apartment. Collectors have long hoarded the five-disc Outcesticide series, which contain studio sessions and live covers, as well as the six-disc Into the Black boxed set, which comes with a dazzling 24-page booklet. But there are recordings so rare they don't appear on any illicit compilation. Here are the rarest of the rare, along with whatever limited session information we could find using the ultrasecret members-only Nirvana fan club discography site theneedleandthedamagedone.co.uk/boots/rare/whatever/nevermind.html.
"Narcoleptic, Neurotic" (alternate title: "Little Pissant") and "Jesus Hello": These In Utero discards sound like many other Nirvana songs: soft, loud, soft, loud, etc. They're most notable, however, for Cobain's use of chain saw and harmonium, the latter at the suggestion of producer Steve Albini, who once told Guitar Player magazine, "I was doing everything I could to make Nirvana as uncommercial as every other band I've worked with, except the Breeders, because I wanted to f**k Kim Deal."
"Squeezin Teezin": Nirvana was fond of whipping out the oddball cover song, but this one is disquieting. The story goes as follows: In 1991, BBC disc jockey John Peel asked the band to appear on his radio show. Nirvana agreed, but asked to perform a set of covers, to which Peel agreed. The set list featured several Nirvana favorites -- including The Who's "Baba O'Riley," The Doors' "The End" and Terry Jacks' "Seasons in the Sun" -- but also some bizarre choices, among them Cher's "Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves" and this little-known 1989 bit of hair metal written by Harry Cody, otherwise known as the guitarist for the band Shotgun Messiah.
"Violet"/"Miss World"/"Plump"/"Asking for It"/"Jennifer's Body"/"Doll Parts"/"Credit in the Straight World"/"Softer, Softest"/"She Walks on Me"/"I Think That I Would Die"/"Gutless"/"Rock Star": Otherwise known as Hole's second album -- the first on a major label -- Live Through This, released in April 1994. According to Internet gossip, this very tape is the reason Courtney Love settled her suit with Grohl and Novoselic: The Foo Fighters front man owns it in its entirety -- it was scheduled to be Nirvana's fourth studio album, after In Utero, and Grohl and Novoselic play on all the sessions -- and threatened to release it if Love didn't settle the suit. In fact, test pressings of the Foos' new One by One contain a "hidden track" that appears to be a 92-second montage of the Nirvana "Won't Live Through This" sessions, as they've come to be known.
"I Don't Wanna Be Your Yoko, Oh No": Taken from the band's sound check before its last American performance on January 8, 1994, at the Seattle Center Coliseum, this song was given to Cobain as a birthday present from Love. That would explain why it's so awful -- although it would later appear on Hole's third album as "Malibu," with slightly altered lyrics. Grohl and Novoselic refused to perform it in front of an audience, record it or even say its title out loud. In the legal papers, it is referred to only as "I.D.W.B.Y.Y.O.N. (Human Nature)."
"Rape Me"/"Too Shy": Recorded at the Palaghiaccio in Rome on February 2, 1994 -- the night Cobain tried to kill himself with pills and champagne -- this odd coupling featuring the Kajagoogoo hit likely stemmed from Cobain's feelings that "in 10 years when NIRVANA becomes as memorable as Kajagoogoo that same very small percent will come to see us at reunion gigs sponsored by Depends diapers," as he wrote in his diaries in 1992.
"Pine Tree Janitorial Service": This is a fake ad jingle, recorded on a home studio four-track, for a company Cobain wanted to start with Novoselic. "We purposely limit our number of commercial offices in order to personally clean while taking our time," he sings, to which Novoselic responds, "We will suck up all manner of filth, muck, grease and grime." It would later resurface during the Nevermind sessions as "Shoot Up While You Work," with drastically reworked lyrics -- "suck up," for instance, becomes "shoot up."
"Losing Nirvana": Originally intended for inclusion on Nirvana's first single for Sub Pop in 1988, this song was Cobain's passive-aggressive attempt to inform drummer Dave Foster that he had been replaced by Chad Channing. Cobain and Novoselic decided to write Foster a letter instead -- which appears in Journals, the forthcoming collection of Cobain's diary entries, drawings and grocery lists -- though Cobain ended up using many of the lyrics to "Losing Nirvana" in his kiss-off to Foster: "We feel really nutsty that we don't have the guts to tell you in person/But we didn't know how mad you would get."
"Get Free": Think this Vines song sounds like something Kurt Cobain might have written? Well, there's a good reason: He did, in 1991.
"My Stomach Hurts": This song, from the planned double album Cobain's Disease, is a 15-minute symphonic experiment in Neu!-like prog, and its lyrics, like so many other Nirvana songs, hint at the agony Kurt was constantly enduring -- the "burning, nauseaus [sic] pain in my upper abdominal cavity," as he wrote in Journals. Among the lyrics: "My stomach hurts/My head hurts/My arm hurts/My leg hurts/My back hurts/My front hurts/My hurt hurts."
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Post by HippieChild on Oct 19, 2004 14:41:04 GMT -5
Wellie wellie well-well.....this is most interesting. Thank you Dylan for posting it. It seems our Miss Love may have indeed misrepresented her musical talent. If so, she fooled me good and proper; I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. If this is proven to be true then Courtney may be facing yet more troubles. Plagerism is a crime and if she stole that music from her late husband not only will she lose credibility but fans as well.
Just out of curiousity; to Courtney supporters, if she stole Kurts music do you still worship her? Will you still support her despite her obvious misrepresentation of her talents and abilities? Or are you beginning to smell a rat? I don't know about you, but I sure am.
So, now back to the question "Did Courtney kill Kurt?" It seems that not only is there evidence supporting a murder theory but also several motives; financial gain, fame and passing Kurts talent off as her own. It doesn't look good for her. I'm not saying she did any of it; right now it's all speculation and heresay, but it doesn't look good. The net is getting tighter and tighter around our Miss Love.....time to stand up and prove once and for all that none of its true.
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Post by Andrea on Oct 19, 2004 15:21:57 GMT -5
I'm right behind you, Hippiechild. Great stuff.
How interesting. If this is true, then it appears that ‘Live Through This’ was really Kurt, Dave and Krist’s work after all. It says that it was intended to be Nirvana’s fourth studio album before being discarded. If Dave Grohl has a recording of the whole album played by Nirvana then that can only mean that it had been worked on to such a degree that Dave and Krist would have already inputted their musical contributions to the songs. This would explain their animosity to Courtney Love, even if Kurt as the main contributor had gifted her the album during the good stage of their marriage to use as her own.
It also provides further insight into the dynamics of the Cobain marriage: Kurt would have been in the position of holding the upper hand at all times. I think we know enough about Courtney Love’s psychology to speculate that she probably would have hated this control over her. As well as being dependant on a rich man (see the Vanity Fair interview where she brags about being married to one) she would also be dependent on Kurt for being responsible for really launching her career on the back of Nirvana’s success. We all know about Courtney Love’s drive and ambition at that time…and Kurt was providing a bigger opportunity than was previously guessed at. This also explains why Geffen (Nirvana’s label) would signed Hole knowing that they were onto a probable winner based on Kurt’s talent and current popularity.
You are absolutely right. We know that the marriage was in difficulties and that they were heading for divorce. The possibility of the threat that Kurt was in the position to withdraw ‘Live Through This’ at any time provides yet another motive for those that believe that she may have had some involvement in his death. What can we say, apart from, two words: Shameless fraud.
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Post by itslikeatradeoff on Oct 19, 2004 15:32:05 GMT -5
whoa thts just about all i can say to that whoa  |
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Post by lovestinksyeahyeah on Oct 20, 2004 16:01:50 GMT -5
that is really weird... courtney love can't write crap without kurt. i wasn't too suprised though because she's the one who wouldn't let krist and dave have the rest of nirvana's unreleased songs. well now they have one up on her. wow but what really suprised me was "get free" which they say the vines wrote. i love the vines but if its true it gets me really quite angry. how did they get it anyway? does anyone have more info? thanks
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Post by itslikeatradeoff on Oct 20, 2004 20:13:12 GMT -5
They probablly got it from Courtney.Remember that rumor that Courtney was stalking the Vines lead singer.She probablly gave it to him.Im guessing she made a deal of some sort with him one of those "I give you this and you give me this" deals.
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Post by lovestinksyeahyeah on Oct 21, 2004 9:09:09 GMT -5
yeah that's probably it... i hate her so much....
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Post by PigWomanCourtney on Oct 21, 2004 9:36:29 GMT -5
WOAH! PLAGERISM?!?! Excuse me but... HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA[/i] Here's hoping the B*ItCH goes to jail for the rest of her life AND all of those stories about prison lesbianism are true! PWC xxx[/color]
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Post by HippieChild on Oct 28, 2004 13:50:22 GMT -5
Courtney Love Admits Nirvana Rip-Off
Ahead of her forthcoming solo tour, Courtney Love has admitted one of her new songs sounds exactly like “f**king Smells Like Teen Spirit” by Nirvana.
Elsewhere, Love has hinted at a possible prison LP and pleaded guilty to ‘disorderly conduct’.
The newly-solo Courtney Love is currently rehearsing for a series of live dates with her all-girl backing band The Chelsea and has been sounding off
about her new material. Again. "There's a song on my album, ‘I'll Do Anything’” she enthused to Rolling
Stone. “I didn't know it sounded so much like Nirvana when I wrote it. It's f**king ‘Smells Like Teen Spirit’. It also sounds just like that Blur song, ‘Song 2’ - the woo-hoo song." Elsewhere, Courtney pleaded guilty yesterday (October 20) to a charge of
disorderly conduct that resulted from the troubled star hitting a fan on the head with a microphone stand during an appearance last March in New York.
Judge Melissa Jackson met a plea agreement that means Love will receive a conditional discharge and enrol in a drug-treatment program and not violate
any other laws. The victim will receive $2,336 for medical expenses. If she violates the agreement she may face jail time, which seems may also be part of the Love masterplan as she has divulged plans for a Johnny
Cash-style live LP recorded live in the choky.
"I'm going to record in a prison,” the former Hole singer explained. “I dodged a bullet, so I'm going to do the most I can do to make the ladies happy.
Johnny Cash recorded two live albums in prisons, ‘At Folsom Prison’ and ‘At San Quentin’.
Assuming she’s not banged up, Love's five-date US tour is set to begin on October 24 in San Diego. Noise-rockers The Icarus Line and uber-cool burlesque performers The Suicide Girls are currently tipped to join the tour as support.
Well, at least she admits this one.
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Post by Andrea on Oct 28, 2004 21:07:45 GMT -5
"I'm going to record in a prison,” the former Hole singer explained. “I dodged a bullet, so I'm going to do the most I can do to make the ladies happy."
Yeah right! Like she was going to fight for better muscians rights during her case with Universal back in 2001? Bet if she beats the Kristin King rap, this will also be another long forgotten publicity stunt. Famewh0re!
Still waiting for the long overdue statement from Courtney Love stating that she has come to her senses and now recognizes that her history of violent behavior was inexcusable and that she will change her ways...
But no! The B1tch is gonna just thinking about herself and trying to make a fast buck out of someone else misfortune... Wonder what she'd think if Kristin King put out a record about what a violent junkie Courtney Love is, enough material for a double album, I'd say... then it would be poor little victim Courtney... How much sh!t can Courtney Love say?! It's like a terrible riddle. Axxx
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Post by itslikeatradeoff on Nov 11, 2004 18:44:39 GMT -5
Someone was shooting at you for a reason why dodge it?
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Post by jaded on Nov 29, 2004 19:42:59 GMT -5
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