Post by getaropeandhanghim on Feb 20, 2005 3:48:41 GMT -5
and TEXT called "Uncredited In The Straight World". It's from Opinion:
The debate has been heard before. Did Kurt Cobain have anything to do with writing the material for Hole's ground breaking second release "Live Through This"? To be totally honest only Kurt & Courtney will ever know for sure. However, a rather strong case can be built in support of this argument.
Granted, it would be difficult to be married and living day to day with a musician as talented as Kurt Cobain was and not have at least something rub off. But was there more than just a little creative collaboration going on? Did Kurt want Courtney's career to take off? So much so that he did a little more than just help?
In all fairness, you can't say without a doubt that Courtney ripped Kurt off. It's quite possible that he insisted on helping. And no matter how opposed to it she might have been, it would be nearly impossible not to tap into his vast talent as a song writer. Few artists concerned with a new album, especially one as long anticipated and crucial as Hole's "Live Through This" was going to be, could just turn their backs on this material (assuming Kurt had something to do with it). The songs are just too good.
Another cause for this rumor is that it has been nearly four years now since the release of "Live Through This", causing many to speculate that a partial reason is that Courtney's song writer is dead. Also, the only Hole releases since his death have been previously released B-sides and a cover song.
Very few albums come to mind where the song writing between one and the next are as drastic. On Hole's debut release, "Pretty on the Inside", the only really strong cut is 'Teenage sleeper'. The rest have been described, at best, as .."difficult to listen to".
Following are excerpts from interviews and song clips as well as general observances. The rest is entirely up to you.
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After 'Dumb' on the Rome show on 2/22/94, Kurt plays a few chords on his guitar and Dave joins in on the kick drum.
On a Hole bootleg called "Rumours, Lies and Media Rape" there is a song called 'Time to Kill' (bootleg name).
It is a live song, that is unreleased (circa 1995). The chord structures appear to be very similar. Both songs roughly follow the same chord progression, but Hole's version is slower.
Cont.
The debate has been heard before. Did Kurt Cobain have anything to do with writing the material for Hole's ground breaking second release "Live Through This"? To be totally honest only Kurt & Courtney will ever know for sure. However, a rather strong case can be built in support of this argument.
Granted, it would be difficult to be married and living day to day with a musician as talented as Kurt Cobain was and not have at least something rub off. But was there more than just a little creative collaboration going on? Did Kurt want Courtney's career to take off? So much so that he did a little more than just help?
In all fairness, you can't say without a doubt that Courtney ripped Kurt off. It's quite possible that he insisted on helping. And no matter how opposed to it she might have been, it would be nearly impossible not to tap into his vast talent as a song writer. Few artists concerned with a new album, especially one as long anticipated and crucial as Hole's "Live Through This" was going to be, could just turn their backs on this material (assuming Kurt had something to do with it). The songs are just too good.
Another cause for this rumor is that it has been nearly four years now since the release of "Live Through This", causing many to speculate that a partial reason is that Courtney's song writer is dead. Also, the only Hole releases since his death have been previously released B-sides and a cover song.
Very few albums come to mind where the song writing between one and the next are as drastic. On Hole's debut release, "Pretty on the Inside", the only really strong cut is 'Teenage sleeper'. The rest have been described, at best, as .."difficult to listen to".
Following are excerpts from interviews and song clips as well as general observances. The rest is entirely up to you.
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After 'Dumb' on the Rome show on 2/22/94, Kurt plays a few chords on his guitar and Dave joins in on the kick drum.
On a Hole bootleg called "Rumours, Lies and Media Rape" there is a song called 'Time to Kill' (bootleg name).
It is a live song, that is unreleased (circa 1995). The chord structures appear to be very similar. Both songs roughly follow the same chord progression, but Hole's version is slower.
Cont.