Danielle Loves Kurt
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Post by Danielle Loves Kurt on Dec 3, 2004 18:45:00 GMT -5
Another lie found in the 'Kurt Cobain 'muder investigation''.
You always here about his one. Supposely a character by the name of Brad Branett fueled the idea of that Kurt was murdered when he came out and gave interviews about seeing him a few days before his death near his Bellvue home. Barnett claims that Kurt told him he feared for his life. Was this solid gold to the people who believed Kurt was murdered? Most likely but your own patron saint Tom Grant writes: "If you hear about some guy who claims to have interviewed Kurt Cobain in person at the Lake Washington house just days before he was found dead, beware, it simply is not true. I communicated with this jerk through e-mail. Using a pseudonym but eventually identifying himself as "Brad Barnett", he tripped right out of the gate and fell flat on his face. E-mails sent to me by Barnett, along with his postings on the internet, have proven his "interview story" was fabricated." Barnett's story appears on pages 95 and 96 of the Who Killed Kurt Cobain? . See the book is already being discreditted.
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Post by lovestinksyeahyeah on Dec 4, 2004 13:12:30 GMT -5
the story wasn't there though as truth. they just put it in there to show you what the guy said. it wasn't used to say look someone saw him.
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Post by Danielle Loves Kurt on Dec 4, 2004 19:54:17 GMT -5
That's why I can remember reading article after article in rock press magazines claiming Brad Barnett was the last person to see Kurt alive and Kurt told him he feared for his life. It just needs to be suggested. This theory is stupid.
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Post by itslikeatradeoff on Dec 5, 2004 10:30:34 GMT -5
Id appreciate you not saying that myself and other people who feel Kurt was murdered look up to Grant as the "patron saint".We give you respect though you look at his death diffrently (besides the occasional guest they can be pretty arrogant) please give us respect as well.
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Post by HippieChild on Dec 5, 2004 13:04:24 GMT -5
Whoa!  The murder theory is anything but stupid. Tom Grant was very diligent and thorough with his research and it is medically and theoretically sound. He was onto this story by Brad Barnett from day one, and when he had enough evidence behind him to support it, exposed Barnett as a hoax. He never once bought his story. He was the same way with Eldon Hoke. He found him to be a deteriorated drunk who spent his life aimlessly waiting until someone came along and bought him a drink. He also feared he might be a hoax that Courtney paid to pose as a witness so later on Grant could be discredited. But the polygraph came through with the highest score, and it was conducted by Dr. Edward Gelb, a known and respected pioneer in the field of polygraphs and an instructor for the FBI's advanced polygraph course. OJ Simpsons attorney F. Lee Bailey had Gelb administer a polygraph on behalf of his client and OJ failed quite badly. When Wallance and Halperin inquired about the common belief that psychopaths and sociopaths can beat a polygraph the answer was "that's a myth." He then explained that a recent British Columbia study had shown the polygraph was actually more accurate when testing such people. Many of these misconceptions stem from the early days when the technology was much less sophisticated. Today, when conducted by a qualified examiner, the test is so accurate that it's results are now being accepted in many court jurisdictions throughout the United States. Hokes results from the polygraph test are too compelling to ignore. You've stated that the reason why Kurt was able to roll down his sleeves, put his kit away, then shoot himself is based on the theory of "tolerance." I've stated repeatedly that medical science proves that nobody, not even a hardcore junkie, could have withstood that amount of heroin and did was he supposedly did. You countered that medical science is sometimes wrong, but you have yet to produce one similar case where the person injected an equal amount of heroin and lived long enough to perform a few minor tasks before dying. You can't produce it, because I'm telling you right now, THERE IS NONE. One could equally argue, with more substantiation, that the theory of suicide is what's stupid. Anyone with an ounce of sense would know by the heroin levels alone, that something isn't quite right with this case. Before circling "suicide" for cause of death, it should have been circled "undetermined" until a proper investigation was done, based on the levels of heroin. Considering the rocks Tom Grant has turned over, there was a lot of evidence to be found. Somebody screwed up and allowed himself to be manipulated based souly on the testimony of Courtney Love, an admitted liar. Stupid is not a word I would associate with the murder theory. You seem to be turning a blind eye to the obvious facts and refusing to acknowledge that logic and reason do figure in this formula. We could easily turn around and say, NO! YOU are the stupid one! but that is neither a sound argument nor a necessary one. Instead I'm just going to say that you have not posted one solid thing that clears Courtney of any suspicion of wrong-doing and have only used weak arguments to defend Courtney's actions (i.e. the press) when even the simplest person on this board knows that Courtney welcomes the paparazzi and all press for that matter. Open your eyes. Your defending a person who may very well be one of the darkest souls of our time. |
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Post by Danielle Loves Kurt on Dec 5, 2004 18:56:25 GMT -5
Id appreciate you not saying that myself and other people who feel Kurt was murdered look up to Grant as the "patron saint".We give you respect though you look at his death diffrently (besides the occasional guest they can be pretty arrogant) please give us respect as well. I do respect your opinion. And the only reason I beleive Kurt committed suicide is based on his personality. He had tried so many times before, even right back to adolsence. I don't think you can escape a track record. I'm sorry Tradeoff. |
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Post by anarchy on Dec 6, 2004 19:34:59 GMT -5
LIES LIES LIES.You people have too much time on your hands if you can go out and research this nuts. who cares it is invented by people who hate courtney to get more people who hate courtney into their circle courtney is a sleeper and horrible but thatsi nuts.
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Post by truthman on Dec 7, 2004 11:42:34 GMT -5
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Post by HippieChild on Dec 7, 2004 16:13:00 GMT -5
Oh great, yet another Courtney fanatic; or maybe Courtney herself, for all we know. Either way, I'm tired of these post-pubescent riot grrls show up clutching their Hello Kitties and spouting "Courtney Rules!" Why don't you go to your own dam-n forum and get the f**k out of here? Sorry to the rest of you but I'm very tired and in no mood to be understanding or reasonable. Let me just say ONCE AGAIN that there is a ton of evidence to back up the murder theory and nothing has been presented to accurately dismiss it. If you Courtney baby-doll-wanna-be's with your Riot Grrrl attitudes want to prove Courtney's innocence then do so, or petition to have the case reopened so your goddess with be exonherated since your so sure she's innocent. Or better yet, since your whining to yourself right now "why should she have to prove anything? That's not faaaiiiir" go back to KR or whatever Courtney forum you want and blather loud and clear for all other teeny boppers to hear that Courtney rocks, she rules, she a goddess, whatever floats your tiny little boat. Just take it away from here because you will find very little support for your pro-Courtney ways. And by the way, moron. Right now we're debating the possibility of Courtney's involvement in a probable murder; nobody's come right out and said she did it because we don't know for sure, as most of the evidence is circumstantial. If you were old enough to read you'd know that and would recognize that as adults, we have the right to do so in OUR forum. Now go drink your warm milk, turn off Barney, and tell Hello Kitty goodnight.  |
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Post by Danielle on Jan 9, 2005 8:28:29 GMT -5
Id appreciate you not saying that myself and other people who feel Kurt was murdered look up to Grant as the "patron saint".We give you respect though you look at his death diffrently (besides the occasional guest they can be pretty arrogant) please give us respect as well. Tradeoff I hardly think you give my opinions respect. I undestand your predicament. You like Courtneys music but still think she killed Kurt and is horrible person underneath all that Hollywood glamour. I agree with you except for the murder theory. I do give you respect but in the same right I'm really annoyed everytime I'm backed into a corner. |
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Post by x on May 1, 2006 19:45:17 GMT -5
bump
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Post by Bradley Barnett on Jan 13, 2019 7:37:32 GMT -5
Tom Grant took advantage of thousands of people following Kurt’s death! He did not “trip me up". Grant asked me questions which I intentionally answered falsely. I have no respect for his theories! He has attempted to make a career on a man who was miserable, particularly at that time in his life!
Unless you have experienced the addiction that comes with opiates, you have no idea what it’s like to be an addict! Grant neither understands how KURT FELT, unless he too has struggled with heroin addiction.
John Lennon spoke about “snorting “ heroin. He had difficulty allegedly quitting. Anyone who shoots heroin is dealing with the devil!
I have said nothing for years because I think Grant is a joke.
Did Kurt kill himself? I don’t think there is a definitive answer. Did he pull the trigger? The evidence suggests so. ONE of life’s lessons are soften we can’t always find the answer we seek.....and we all seek, and then we either call it truth or not? Peace.....
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The murder theory is anything but stupid. Tom Grant was very diligent and thorough with his research and it is medically and theoretically sound. He was onto this story by Brad Barnett from day one, and when he had enough evidence behind him to support it, exposed Barnett as a hoax. He never once bought his story. He was the same way with Eldon Hoke. He found him to be a deteriorated drunk who spent his life aimlessly waiting until someone came along and bought him a drink. He also feared he might be a hoax that Courtney paid to pose as a witness so later on Grant could be discredited. But the polygraph came through with the highest score, and it was conducted by Dr. Edward Gelb, a known and respected pioneer in the field of polygraphs and an instructor for the FBI's advanced polygraph course. OJ Simpsons attorney F. Lee Bailey had Gelb administer a polygraph on behalf of his client and OJ failed quite badly. When Wallance and Halperin inquired about the common belief that psychopaths and sociopaths can beat a polygraph the answer was "that's a myth." He then explained that a recent British Columbia study had shown the polygraph was actually more accurate when testing such people. Many of these misconceptions stem from the early days when the technology was much less sophisticated. Today, when conducted by a qualified examiner, the test is so accurate that it's results are now being accepted in many court jurisdictions throughout the United States. Hokes results from the polygraph test are too compelling to ignore.
