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Post by HippieChild on Jan 15, 2005 19:57:06 GMT -5
Hippie Poll! Cast your vote; has Courtney finally cleaned up her act, or is it all just a show. Let me know what you think.
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Post by Andrea on Jan 16, 2005 10:25:05 GMT -5
Good poll Hippie. Put me down for option 1 - although my thoughts are that the timeframe will be longer (2-3yrs) before she f*cks up again.
There really is no reason, apart from Courtney Love herself, that she shouldn't be able to stop all this crap and pull herself together. But something about what I've learnt about Love's attitude tells me that she's liable to fall again as the real problem is Courtney Love herself (like we don't know it!), Here I disagreeessment of Courtney Love's future:-
Character: Courtney's biggest character flaw in my opinion (but i'm not a psychologist so this is just my view) is self deception (you just have to read her interviews to see that) she's used to writing her own reality, lying to herself, and then lying to the media and her fans (what's left of them). Combined with her attitude of being 'above the law' it's only a matter of time since she works in the music biz that she'll come face to face with drugs again: She'll take them because she'll think that she can handle it and because she knows she's a competant liar to deny it until the problem gets out of control again. Furthermore, she's a drama queen with an incessant need for attention and a strong attraction to the history of tragic, masochistic, self destructive, women: Nancy Spungeon, Edie Sedgwick, Frances Farmer, and to some extent Janis Joplin. Because she finds these women interesting she thinks that if she imitates their lifestyles to some extent that the public will find her interesting. Maybe they do, but it's a kind of morbid train wreck fascination where ultimately people walk away and think 'what a silly cow to have wasted and f*cked up her life so badly'. In an age where everybody is obsessed with health, self-destruction is not a glamorous, sought after commodity. It never has been. Nobody loves a loser.
Music: Contrary to what some people think, I don't think that Courtney Love is a serious or greatly talented musician. She's incredibly limited as she only writes with co-writers, she's never going to win any awards for her vocal skills; she doesn't write music, etc. A lot of musicians are required to prop up the career of Courtney Love, and a lot of them end up embittered since Love claims all the accolades for herself. Outside of her musical circle, I've never read or heard of another serious musician claiming that Love is a musical genius. Courtney's modus operandi is to reiterate the fact that she is during interviews and to pretentiously throw around big names (Dylan, Joplin, Hendrix, Baudelaire, Rilke etc) in the hope that some 15 year old girl will think Love's up there with them (she often comes off as ridiculous as Hank Harrison). To Courtney it's all about image. In short, there are numerous woman in rock who do much more musically than Courtney Love does. Only an under-educated juvenile with a limited understanding of the history of women in rock is going to fall for this claptrap and they do, judging by some of the illiterate nonsensical postings from Pro-Courtney fans on this board (Courtney is a goddess! - is that the scope of your intelligence?) I'm sure to some people Paris Hilton, or Britney Spears, or Avril Lavigne are 'talented goddesses'! How sad is that? Personal preference (being a fan of somebody) and industry positioning, reputations, and credibility are two seperate issues.
She probably has a 3 album deal with Virgin Records (the first being American Sweetheart which didn't sell, and two chances left). If Billy Corgan couldn't get Zwan off the ground, then what makes Courtney think that he'll be able to ressurect her own career. In a sense all these people have remained stuck in the late 90s without the ability to move on. It's also interesting that Courtney's musical career has often ridden on the tails of male musicians (Cobain, Corgan, etc). I'm really suprised that she hasn't befriended and snared Pete Doherty of the Libertines into her circle, to try and ride on their popularity... (see celebrity friendships)
Acting: As an actress she's passed her prime. Older and better actresses find it hard to get work and publically complain about it. Furthermore, unless she can accrue another fortune to enable her to put up her own insurance (as she did with her roles in the past, Larry Flynt, etc) then i'd be suprised that any studio would be willing to take the risk. She's hardly a bankable star with a huge box-office draw. Never has been.
Celebrity friendships: Both Courtney's friendships with Drew Barrymore and Winona Ryder are interesting for their drug connections. Perhaps that's the reason why Barrymore who seems to be clean now, won't have anything more to do with Courtney Love. Didn't Edward Norton dump her because she wouldn't give up drugs? Pure speculation but perhaps in the past Courtney Love has acted as enabler to other celebrities to enhance her career. After all, according to Julian Cope, that's how she started out as a drug supplying groupie. Being a drug addict can have it's uses. Another reason why she might start up again.
Sex Appeal: As an ex-stripper, Courtney Love knows the value of sex appeal. In the past, she's bared her breasts during concerts and TV interviews in order to appear contraversial (how different is this from your average stripper?) She's 40 years old now. This cheap shot might work when you are a nubile 23 year old, but at 40 it can come across as distateful, repugnant and grotesque. Is anyone still going to want to see her breasts which are now hideously surgery scarred at 40?
Violent Nature: Her violence has often been directed at people (journalists in particular) that have tried to expose her as a fake and as an opportunist (Clarke, Hirschberg, etc) and also out of jealousy in her relationships with men (assaulting K Hanna/Cobain; Kristin King/Barber etc). It amazes me how people can think that Courtney Love is a strong woman as she is so obviously extremely weak in (a) being unable to control her violence (b) weak and insecure in her relationships with men.
As a Mother: Unable to put aside her monstrous ego and her relentless need for attention, poor Frances Bean has been shunted back and forth dues to Courtney's irresponsible antics. I'd be very suprised if any child wouldn't grow up resenting that. Wouldn't suprise me in the very least if it's Frances Bean as a adult who puts the final nails into Courtney's career - perhaps an expose a la mommie dearest, or as a public rejection of her mother.
The Cobain Murder theory: This isn't going to go away. Saying that it's stupid or denying it's existance isn't going to make it go away. If anything now that Courtney doesn't have the reputed $40 million Cobain fortune to protect her with an army of lawyers, people will be more brazen about calling her a murderess. She should re-open the case and get herself vindicated if she's innocent, otherwise this issue may overcloud whatever contribution she's made or tries to make in the future.
The 90s: She really needs to wake up to the fact that it's 2005; the kinderwh0re look is passe; Grunge is a chapter in musical history; drugs can really f*ck up your life, even kill you; she's 40 years old and that she's not the new girl on the block anymore. She really needs to start getting serious and working hard if she doesn't want to be overtaken by the new generation of Avrils and Ashleys that are popping up like weeds around her.
Marianne Faithfull changed her life around, the real question is whether Courtney Love really wants to do that or will she continue to play these stupid games with herself, the press, musically, and continue to be seen as a joke. If her monstrous ego continues to blind her to all these things then I think that it's highly probable that she'll remain stuck in her ways. Just remember, that although you might not be able to teach an old dog new tricks, you can have it put down. ;D People will stop buying her CDs and her small fanbase and fortunes will diminish further. Axxx
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Post by oldager on Feb 14, 2005 4:47:44 GMT -5
You're a stupid f**king thingy and dont have any good points.
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Post by Oldager on Feb 14, 2005 4:49:04 GMT -5
Plus Andrea is a stupid fat chicks name... C.U.N.T
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Post by HippieChild on Feb 14, 2005 9:33:03 GMT -5
guest-oldager wrote:
and also wrote:
Watch what you say about Andrea. She is not only the brightest poster on this board as well as the most level-headed but she is very liked by most, if not all, of the posters here. You are obviously a Courtney worshipper who closes his/her eyes to the obvious and counters with "She's a goddess" and other such bullsh*t because your unable to come up with a better argument. Andreas points are very valid, as well as very well thought-out and make perfect sense. All you do is counter with stupid, childish names. Get lost before pigwomancourtney finds you and eats you alive. Better yet, stick around. I'd love to see pwc have a go at an idiot like you. I'm sure he's very hungry today. ;D
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Post by mellon on Feb 14, 2005 10:20:49 GMT -5
you are all a bunch of thingys.
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Post by mellon on Feb 14, 2005 10:21:41 GMT -5
this forum is G aY and everyone here is A C uN T!
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Post by mellon on Feb 14, 2005 10:23:44 GMT -5
andrea you need to be F uCK IN the a SS
COURTNEY RULES AND SHUT THE FU CK UP
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Post by mellon on Feb 14, 2005 10:25:35 GMT -5
She is not only the brightest poster on this board as well as the most level-headed but she is very liked by most, if not all, of the posters---
give me a breack YOU cU nt brighter poster my A ss! level headed hahahaha level head this!! f**k ging W hORE
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Post by mstepp on Feb 14, 2005 10:36:23 GMT -5
This board is a bunch of nirvanatards.
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Post by mellon on Feb 14, 2005 11:00:26 GMT -5
I WANNA EAT COURTNEYS CU NT COS IM A BIG LESSY
COURTNEY RULES AND SHUT THE FU CK UP
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Post by mellon on Feb 14, 2005 12:43:43 GMT -5
hahaah yeah sure
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Post by anon on Feb 14, 2005 12:54:28 GMT -5
The greater question remains... why do you even care? I'll admit that I'm a fan of Courtney Love (the music, not the person) and even I couldn't give a toss what she does with her private life. If she wants to be an not a very nice person, fair play to me. It has no effect on my life whatsoever.
I'm going to make an assumption here, do feel free to correct me if I'm wrong... You aren't related to her. You aren't related to her dead husband. You aren't related to their daughter. You have nothing to gain by calling her names on this board, or any other for that matter. Except, of course, some kind of perverse satisfaction if/when she falls on her ass again because... MY GOD, you were right all along!
Congratulations, this board is a complete waste of time. Luckily you people must have plenty of that on your hands.
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Post by Systems Moderator on Feb 14, 2005 13:11:51 GMT -5
U seem to have plenty of time to waste yourself judging from the above^ Posting under different names - We know its U as I can see your IPS account every time u drop a post.
Now just f**k Off!
What part of ANTI-Courtney Love are you stupid enough NOT to understand???
This board does just what it says. So whats ur problem?
If you wanna stick your tongue up Courtneys crack then I suggest you go to Kitty Radio with all the other smelly repressed lesbians!
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Post by anon on Feb 14, 2005 14:01:08 GMT -5
I was in no way responsible for any of the posts that preceded mine. You might want to check that again. Either that or you are lying simply to intimidate me, or whoever else posted, but I'm prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm not going to ask for proof of your claim because, frankly, I know that isn't the case.
Anyway, I'm aware this forum does what it says on the tin. It does it d**n well, from what I've read, and the post by Andrea I read on this particular thread was very well written and made some very good points. However, I just don't understand why people with a dislike (or even just a plain lack of admiration) for a person would want to spend such a great deal of time discussing them. Why not simply turn a blind eye? That's all I was suggesting. I do it all the time. I personally think Courtney Love is an idiot in many respects, despite being a fan of her music, but I don't know her personally and so I don't dwell on it.
I admit what I said about this forum being a waste of time was unnecessary and uncalled for, and I'm prepared to take it back. I apologise for the insult. I've wasted many an hour on fan sites of many bands, because the music of those bands is what I'm passionate about. I guess the people on this site are passionate about their dislike for Courtney. Fair play, I guess, even if I don't really understand it.
I post on various fan boards (not just courtney love's, many other bands as well) and they all occasionally get visited by people who hate the artist, who simply want to present their opinion of the artist, or simply question why anyone even likes the artist. Is it reasonable to expect, then, that a person who IS a fan shouldn't be able to express their opinion on the anti-whatever forum?
I've said all I wanted to say. I'm sure we can agree to disagree, and rest assured I wont be spending much more time at this site.
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