Kurt Is God!!!!!!!!!

[Danielle Loves Kurt]

. I find it hard to believe that Kurt wrote Violet. Violet is Courtneys response to the Babes in toylands song Bruised violet. This is the song that Kat wrote accusing Courtney of being a liar about her creation of the 'kindersleeper' look. While Asking for it was written to Everett True, a journalist friend who use to works for NME and introduced Hole to England with an amazing live review. You already know my feelings on Miss world. You need to remember that Kurt and Courtney co wrote music togehter all the time. They started their own band to insult the people who disagreed with Kurts involvement with Courtney in Olympia, WA.And wrote songs like Lemonade nation and Hello kitty.They also wrote Beautiful son together.Which ended up as a Hole single.

I'd like to add that don't you think Dave would have sued Courtney for control over the songs if he was involved [and you wrote Nirvana not Kurt] considering how much badblood there is between them?

[Danielle Loves Kurt]

Kurt didn't write Live through this I can only see infulence with a few tips. I don't think he wrote the entire thing.Most likely not even an entire song.

[HippieChild]

I find it hard to believe that Kurt wrote Violet. Violet is Courtneys response to the Babes in toylands song Bruised violet. This is the song that Kat wrote accusing Courtney of being a liar about her creation of the 'kindersleeper' look. While Asking for it was written to Everett True, a journalist friend who use to works for NME and introduced Hole to England with an amazing live review. You already know my feelings on Miss world. You need to remember that Kurt and Courtney co wrote music togehter all the time. They started their own band to insult the people who disagreed with Kurts involvement with Courtney in Olympia, WA.And wrote songs like Lemonade nation and Hello kitty.They also wrote Beautiful son together.Which ended up as a Hole single.

I'd like to add that don't you think Dave would have sued Courtney for control over the songs if he was involved [and you wrote Nirvana not Kurt] considering how much badblood there is between them?

Okay, for the sake of being fair, let's say that Kurt and Courtney did co-write the songs. They lived together, they were both musicians, it's highly probable that the different styles they had began to rub off of each other while they made their music. That being said, I am left asking "If this is true, why did NIRVANA record the music, not Hole? It was suppose to be Hole's album, why would Nirvana go through the time and trouble of recording someone elses intended album? Let me add that Kurt wasn't credited with any of the writing, so if they co-wrote the songs, Courtney didn't give Kurt any credit. She allowed people to think it was all hers. Both situations, while not d**ning, are highly questionable.

I think if we're patient eventually someone will download those sessions on the web, if for no other reason than to spite Courtney. Perhaps Grohl was hanging onto the tapes and biding his time until he felt it was just right to hit Courtney with this. She may have forgotten their existance or worse, thought she had intimidated Grohl enough to keep him quiet. Who knows? But Grohl sounds pretty pissed at Courtney and now that the law suit is settled, he may decide now is the time to expose Courtney as a fraud. That's just idle speculation on my part, but again highly probable. I'm willing to bet a cyber K that sooner or later those downloads will be available and we'll hear a completely different version of "Miss World" and "Violet." Stay tuned.

[Andrea]

I'm neither a big Nirvana nor Hole fan so I'll accept that on musical terms I may be out of my depth:

Danielle, ask yourself why Dave Grohl would have a complete recorded copy of "Live Through This" if this was purely a Hole album?

As much as I'm Anti-Courtney I don't believe that she stole the music but that Kurt gifted it to her during the good stage of their marriage after Nirvana had recorded the album but perhaps chosen to reject it. I suspect that this is what initiated the cracks in Nirvana that led to the reported break up before Cobain died. This would certainly explain Grohl & Novoselic ambivalence to Courtney Love especially if they had already contributed musically to the project.

I feel that Courtney Love's musical ability should be addressed pre and post the Nirvana years. I certainly don't dismiss Hippiechild's charge of plagiarism since who is to say that Love hasn't reworked Cobain's song rejects to her advantage. After his death she inherited his estate including whatever material he hadn’t published. I understand that he was a very prolific musician.

Whoever this Dylan guy is, he certainly posts some interesting articles. Two articles spring to mind: A musician who had worked on America's Sweetheart and his dismay at not being credited, (and if you look further Linda Perry co-wrote that album) and also Dave and Krist's letter to Nirvana Fans on the cancelled box release stating that they wished that Courtney Love would play her OWN music. It's here on this board some place. I feel that there is subtle poignancy in that statement.

Courtney Love’s career has been dogged by too many rumours about the contributions that people have made to her records – e.g. did Billy Corgan write Celebrity Skin? We know from Courtney herself that she is a genius as she keeps reminding us in every interview – a crass form of subliminal advertising. Courtney Love interviews are very interesting reading because although they may start out on a negative or realist vein by the time you reach the end Courtney Love has twisted every disadvantage to her advantage… I don’t underestimate that she is a supreme media manipulator but after a while you learn to read between the lines. She certainly has the makings of a sociopath, amongst other things. I’ll try and post one of her interviews so we can all look at the workings. The more you learn about Courtney Love the more inconsistencies you begin to spot. It becomes a kind a game after a while.

Here is an obvious example from CBS News June 17th:

Rocker Courtney Love will not tour in June or July so she can focus on mounting legal troubles — including a felony drug case and an alleged assault with a liquor bottle, her publicist said.

"Love has chosen to take this time to privately address the frivolous, malicious complaints and legal matters that have plagued her this spring," publicist Heidi Schaeffer said in the statement.

Love, 39, and her new band The Chelsea were scheduled to tour in June and July to support Love's new album "America's Sweetheart." Instead, Love will join the band Aug. 1 in Japan, where they will headline the Fuji Festival, according to the statement.

(a) 'Frivolous' & 'Malicious complaints'? This is very insulting to Kristin King & Greg Burgett. Did they assault themselves? No, Courtney Love assaulted them.

(b) 'Plagued'? Uhum, yeah right. Who didn't keep up payments on their Manhattan condo? Who didn't pay the LA Travel Agency? Who didn't pay their law firm?

(c) 'Headline'? I think not. Their billing was very small.

[itslikeatradeoff]

Guest-Danielle said:

Kurt didn't write Live through this I can only see infulence with a few tips. I don't think he wrote the entire thing.Most likely not even an entire song.

Yet he contributed and got no credit.

[itslikeatradeoff]

We'll just take it a step at a time Daniel.

[Danielle Loves Kurt]

Don't talk about no credit. As much as I love Kurt I have to admit that he didn't credit Courtneys help on Pennyroyal tea and they co wrote that. Seriously I don't think Kurt is self serving enough to write that record.


I'd also like to point out that Kurt and Courtney regularly played each others songs. Courtneys favourite Nirvana songs to play were 'Mountain' and Pennyroyal tea. Maybe Kurt was just jamming on her songs.

[HippieChild]

Maybe Kurt was just jamming on her songs.

Jamming? With his band in a recording studio? If it were just a "casual jam" they would have been at Kurts house or soemone elses place just horsing around. My husband and his bandmates use to do this all the time when they just wanted to jam and have fun. But this jam took place in a live recording session. When you take the time and trouble (not to mention money. Studios charge astronomical sums by the hour to rent) it seems they were planning to release it themselves and changed their mind and either put it on hold, or rejected it after listening to it and Kurt gave it all to Courtney. Now she MAY have helped Kurt write it, but according to Dave Grohl, that's not quite the case. The question comes down to credibility; who to believe, Dave or Courtney? Hmmm.....

Courtney has a history of lying. How's Dave's credibility? He detests Courtney, yes. It's pretty obvious. But would he make up a lie like that to discredit her?

Courtney has a history of suing people at the drop of a hat. If Dave is lying, Courtney will obviously file suit against him. It's what she does best. But if she DOESN'T file against him, that means she has something to hide and by bringing it to court it will all come out. So we need to watch what Courtney does to determine the truth of what Dave says. To be continued......

[itslikeatradeoff]

Sweet Jesus Daniel. Okay Daniel why is there a hidden track on the Foo Fighters One by One CD that reveals Nirvana preforming part of a song on Live Through This?

[lovestinksyeahyeah]

really? where? i want to listen. lol.

[Danielle Loves Kurt]

I don't listen to the Foo fighters so I wouldn't know that. And my names Danielle not Daniel. Is it so hard to add two more letters? I'd like to point out to Hippie child that maybe Kurt was jamming on her songs. Was this demo recorded in a recording studio? I want to see credits. Because Kurt owned a 4 track and it could of been produced not to mention Kurt recorded many of Nirvana's practices.And in that case you'd have to say that Courtney wrote a large amount of Nirvana material because Hole played heaps of their songs.

[Danielle Loves Kurt]

You're talking about Dave Grohls credibility.God, as much as I love Nirvana Dave is no one to look up to. He spentmost of his time in Nirvana drunk or having sex so he most likely can't remember anything anyway. The first record he released after Kurts suicde detailed the band turmoil and the issues with the three members. His also a media sleeper who can't even be bothered to tour with a band that he had recorded with [I'm sorry but I think that's wroug]. The only person who is alive and has any credibility in this arguement in Krist Novoselic and I haven't seen anything of his point of view on this. You're playing favourite because you hate Courtney and that's not fair.

[itslikeatradeoff]

Guest-Danielle said:

I don't listen to the Foo fighters so I wouldn't know that. And my names Danielle not Daniel. Is it so hard to add two more letters? I'd like to point out to Hippie child that maybe Kurt was jamming on her songs. Was this demo recorded in a recording studio? I want to see credits. Because Kurt owned a 4 track and it could of been produced not to mention Kurt recorded many of Nirvana's practices.And in that case you'd have to say that Courtney wrote a large amount of Nirvana material because Hole played heaps of their songs.

3 Points:

1.Hole COVERED their songs and gave credit to Nirvana when they were preforming theyre songs.

2.If that was all the proof we had. That Kurt was jamming to one of Courtney's song then I would believe that Nirvana had nothing to do with Live Through This.The fact was Nirvana was "jamming" to the songs on that CD and it was recorded on a demo tape.Why would they have a demo tape of themselves preforming someone elses songs?Answer that please indulge me with your wisdom Danielle.Im sure some 14 year old has seen so much more of this world than I have.

3.There is no need to get offended that someone spelt your name wrong.People spell my name wrong quite often but I just brush it off.Its not a big deal unless it's on a contract or something of importance other than a fu*cking message board then I could care less how people spell my name.Why not do the same.

Now Danielle (see I spelt it right so you don't contradict me) why don't you read this and give me an intelligent response besides the familar posts that have become a bit of a drone to me. "Kurt was jamming to the songs" "I doubt Kurt wrote Live Through This it's too self serving".

[itslikeatradeoff]

Guest-Danielle said:

You're talking about Dave Grohls credibility.God, as much as I love Nirvana Dave is no one to look up to. He spentmost of his time in Nirvana drunk or having sex so he most likely can't remember anything anyway. The first record he released after Kurts suicde detailed the band turmoil and the issues with the three members. His also a media sleeper who can't even be bothered to tour with a band that he had recorded with [I'm sorry but I think that's wroug]. The only person who is alive and has any credibility in this arguement in Krist Novoselic and I haven't seen anything of his point of view on this. You're playing favourite because you hate Courtney and that's not fair.

I believe Dave's opinion cause on this hidden track you don't hear Dave explaining his opinion on the matter.You actually hear Nirvana PREFORMING the songs.David's credibility has nothing to do with the fact that preforming songs on Live Through This taken from a demo tape.Dave could be a male prostitute and it still wouldnt affect the fact that Nirvana preformed those songs on the demo tape.

-You say that Dave Grohl is a media wh*ore?That I will not deny however Courtney Love is a media wh*ore as well.

-You say David Grohl isn't credible? Courtney Love isn't credible either since she has been caught one too many times lieing to the media.

As PWC would say POT KETTLE BLACK YOU FUC*KING HYPOCRIT.

Krist is involved with politics and is very busy.Why would he take time out of work to deal with matters from a band he hasnt been in for 10 years?Has it crossed your mind that he has a life outside Nirvana?

Im playing favorites because I hate Courtney Love? Deary this is one of the reasons I hate Courtney.If she did something good then I would not be in denial about it I would not take someone elses side.I actually think she can be quite witty at times but that doesnt make up for her erratic behavoir and bad parenting skills.YOU are the one playing favorites YOU will not belive any of the proof which IS credible because YOU favor Courtney over the members in Nirvana (besides Kurt since apparently 'Danielle Loves Kurt').


Id like you to read that over and give me an intelligent response to all of the facts and contradictions that I have posted.

[Danielle Loves Kurt]

Oh someones become annoyed. I'm not playing favourites because I don't paricularly like Courtney. I don't own any of her albums at all.

I'm glad Krist has enough brains to not entre into this debate unlike Dave who can go on the Howard Stern show and say his favourite song by Hole is Teenage sleeper because he knew that she had written that on. What a bastard. So don't say he doesn't need credibility he entred into this debate before anyone [just after The Face released it's lies to the world]. Who cares if Courtney lies to the press every f**king celebrity does hey even George W Bush lies and that results in thousands of innocent people being killed. I think that's much worse.

I'd also liked to ad that as far as I know this demo is a rumour. You haven't given tracklistings or anything else so it's you that needs to put the information out for people to dissect. For all I know you're just basing all this on a lie.Why would Nirvana have a demo tape recording other peoples songs? Eh because Nirvana played a stack load of covers that they treated like theur own songs like Where did you sleep last night, Molly's lips and Love Buzz.

By the way in all honesty I'm 19 and 20 in January. I'm not a 14 year old whose obsessed with Kurt and Courtney and how glamourous they were. I acknowledge their faults and enjoy and love kurts music. The reason why I don't believe Kurt wrote Live through this is a defence of him. IF YOU THINK MY IDEAS ARE REPETIVE THAN YOU SHOULD CHECK OUT YOUR OWN. You're basing your ideas on a rumour.

Maybe you should find someone better to hate like someone who has an impact on your life. Go protest against the war and tell everyone the truth about Bush. That's far better reason to hate someone. How can you hate someone who has no impact on your life? You're nuts. Where's the proof?