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Post by Mike on Dec 11, 2004 18:08:54 GMT -5
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Post by ILATO on Dec 11, 2004 19:28:15 GMT -5
Why would he fake his death?
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Post by Mike on Dec 12, 2004 13:26:11 GMT -5
First off, there is a substancial amount of people who knew Kurt and didn't feel he was suicidal. Also, for someone like Kurt.. i think it would have been the type of solution which would have really appealed to him.Also, Courtney wanted to have Kurt Murdered and I don't know if she was cheating on his for sure, but she definetly didn't love him. He no longer wanted to tour either which would have cost the band and other approx 8-9 million dollars.. I'd say he was tired of the fame... not necessarily tired of living. I guess you could apply many of the same reasoning from why he would want to kill himself and apply them to why he would want to disappear. The big issue here... is if Kurt wanted to disappear rather than kill himself... he could have done it. He definetly knew the right people. ie: Coroner Dr Hartshorne + the rest of the people to carry this out. Let's also be honest. I think that Kurt's drug addiction exagerated to make his "apparent" drug overdose more believable. Go through the evidence, you'll never find proof of his death.
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Post by DirtGrrl on Dec 21, 2004 23:51:58 GMT -5
I'm gonna say to you what I've said to numerous people claiming that he is still alive:
Sure he is.
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Post by Mike on Dec 23, 2004 2:00:10 GMT -5
You say that sarcastically and it doesn't bother me. The reason being that no one really knows what happened to Kurt. Plenty people have argued the the murder theory and the suicide theory, when there is truely and 3rd Theory and it's that he's still alive. No one has seen him around except for the one guy (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=15972) and he sounds like he's full of nuts! Unfortunately, I think no one talks about that possibility because they're afraid people like you will make fun of them. I know I'm not the only person to suggest he's still alive and the reason is.. there is some evidence that he may have wanted to disappear rather than kill himself. Case in point... Courtney tried to make it seem like the Rome insident was an attempted suicide. But I copied this from http://www.justiceforkurt.com: ---- The only example I can find of Kurt's explanation of this note is in Cobain by the editors of Rolling Stone, page 90, where a Gold Mountain employee said: "Kurt insisted it was not a suicide note. He just took all of his and Courtney's money and was going to run away and disappear." In the article as it was originally published in Rolling Stone's --- Just because there were a few people back in the 60's that said they had seen Elvis, doesn't mean that it's never been done and that it's imposible to pull off! If you were to know the right people... anything is possible.
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Post by DirtGrrl on Dec 23, 2004 13:33:41 GMT -5
Well it's a good thing that it doesn't bother you.
But the fact is, the man's dead. I don't honestly know if it was suicide or murder, but he's dead. So is Elvis and Jim Morrison.
A situation like this, a really famous and loved person dies at such a young age is really hard because of all the theories that come to life, but what's worse is that people begin to see people that remind them of the persons, and straight away think it's them. He might have seen somebody who looked like Kurt and then just decided to make his story more interesting by adding "run ins" as he calls it with "Kurt". Look now, if Kurt were alive I sure as hell would hope he is smart enough to not be wearing the same exact clothes he wore when he was famous, because that just makes it easier for people to recognise him. And what the guy says about the run in in San Juan, that "Kurt" grabbed him by his shirt and started saying something angrily, just doesn't sound true. He wouldn't have given himself away just like that. The guy had no proof, no substancial evidence that could proove that was Kurt, so therefore "Kurt" didn't have any reason to just give himself away.
Besides, like I've said before. He's dead. I don't like the whole hype surrounding his death, but I must admit that there are alot of unanswered questions, which must be answered, but I just think that claiming he is alive is just disrespectful to him, his family and his fans.
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Post by missworld on Jan 6, 2005 11:15:50 GMT -5
hum...... i think hes dead, i'll look at your web page tho, but im pretty sure his dead and gone....
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Post by HippieChild on Jan 6, 2005 11:47:09 GMT -5
I've seen the site--speculation and heresay and a few observations about the physical similarities. Problem is, Rivers Cuomo and "Weezer" have been touring since before 1994 so it's impossible they are the same person.
Again, I wish it were true. I wish he were alive still but he's NOT. He's dead and gone and people left behind want to know how and why?
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Post by itslikeatradeoff on Jan 6, 2005 16:26:23 GMT -5
I'm going to try to ignore this. It's some delusional fantasies with unsubstantial evidence. I'm not gonna bother discuss this with you people.Apparently logic isn't your strong suites eh?
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Post by Smithers on Jan 7, 2005 0:48:56 GMT -5
Ignore if you will but I read the site and the evidence all came directly out the police report which it links to. I was freaky reading this. It could maybe have happened! but could he have gone?? KURT doesn't want to be found, man!
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Post by itslikeatradeoff on Jan 7, 2005 15:48:43 GMT -5
Oh yeah, that's a real thing to like, faking your death and leaving your kid with no father and a mother who as much as I love her does not appear stable enough to look after their child. Get the f**K outta here, do you really believe Kurt would be that selfish? Exactly!!Courtney can make some good movies and music but she just can't play the role as a good parent. If Kurt were alive he would know this by now and he would not be so selfish as to let Frances endure living with his mother while he fronted a band under a different personality.So really is Kurt that selfish??Do you know anyone that selfish??
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Post by Danielle Loves Kurt on Jan 8, 2005 6:44:37 GMT -5
Exactly!!Courtney can make some good movies and music but she just can't play the role as a good parent. If Kurt were alive he would know this by now and he would not be so selfish as to let Frances endure living with his mother while he fronted a band under a different personality.So really is Kurt that selfish??Do you know anyone that selfish?? I'm sorry but as much as I love Kurt and think he's amazing. I know how much he loved his little girl but if Kurt couldn't kick his drug habit there is no way he would have Frances either. The authorities would've taken Frances anyway Both Kurt and Courtney f**ked up on that one.
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Post by lovestinksyeahyeah on Jan 8, 2005 10:43:18 GMT -5
so yes kurt had some drug problems but who said he couldn't kick his problems? we'll never know but surely he could've done alot better for frances than courtney.
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Post by itslikeatradeoff on Jan 8, 2005 11:59:38 GMT -5
I'm sorry but as much as I love Kurt and think he's amazing. I know how much he loved his little girl but if Kurt couldn't kick his drug habit there is no way he would have Frances either. The authorities would've taken Frances anyway Both Kurt and Courtney f**ked up on that one. Im not saying that Kurt doing drugs are right. I strongly believe that drugs are pointless shi*t.However, drugs are an addiction.You can't just put drugs down whenever you feel like it and say"This isn't good for me and I'm going to stop."So just because Kurt was a junkie doesn't mean he had bad intentions for his daughter.In his heart he was a good father.People who saw him with his daughter claimed he was a good father.He was a good father with some big problems. Kurt did indeed fu*ck up doing drugs for that. I don't care if he had a tough childhood that is no excuse for doing drugs and same goes for Courtney.
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Post by HippieChild on Jan 8, 2005 15:37:12 GMT -5
Excellent post lap dog...er....Tradeoff ;D ;D ;D
I know from personal experience how hard it is to kick drugs. That's one of the reasons I waited 11 years into my marriage to have my first baby....I didn't want to expose a child to my weakness and I wanted to make sure I was clean and ready. I had to grow up first.
Kicking drugs is the hardest, most painful thing in the world to do. I posted this months ago, but I'll post it again. Last year I experienced chest pains and was admitted to the hospital for testing. After I was given a clean bill of health (thank God) I was prescribed Xanax for anxiety. What should have been done was a full psychiatric evaluation to determine where the stress was coming from and what could be done about it, but xanax was a quick fix and it worked. I felt quite carefree; magnanimous in fact. I loved the stuff. Unfortunately I was unfamiliar with it because I'd never seen it prescribed where I worked. The doctors mostly worked with mood stabilizers, anti-depressants and anti-psychotics, but I assumed the doctor knew what she was doing. I found out the hard way just how addicting the crap really is when I ran out 2 days early and insurance wouldn't cover until monday. (it was a friday.) By friday night into Saturday I experienced excrutiating withdrawal; vomiting, sweating, shakes, tremors, headaches so excruciating that I swear even my brain hurt and early Sunday I finally went to the emergency room to get a "quick fix" until monday. I was furious! The doctor knew all about my past addiction to alcohol yet gave this crap to me and I screamed at her "YOU'VE TURNED ME INTO A JUNKIE!!! I WANT OFF THIS STUFF NOW!!!!" The whole hospital must have heard me! She immediately put me into an outpatient detox program where the dose was reduced gradually until it was stopped. Each step down was withdrawal all over again and my biggest fear was my kids; would they understand this? I tried to steer clear of them during the worst of it. When the pain got so bad I placed them with my sister for a few days until I regained control. Then I'd adjust, they'd come home and all would be well until the next step down. Again, my sister, who is an angel of mercy as well as a d**n good nurse, stepped in so they were spared the worst. We, to coin a phrase, made it "FUN" for them but not like Courtney did for Frances. We told them that auntie wanted to share my two angels for a while because she loved them so much and they were happy and shielded so thankfully they never saw me at my worst. After several weeks I finally adjusted and was clean and they came home never knowing the extent of what happened, thank God.
I admit it, I f**ked up. I am responsible for my addiction and I can't blame the doctor because I chose to take the medication uninformed and blindly trusted. Does that make me a horrible parent? I don't think so. I put my children first. I wanted to spare them the horror of seeing mommy in the throes of withdrawal. When they are old enough to understand I am going to be brutally honest; I'm a drunk. I don't drink now, which makes me a "recovering alcoholic" but I'm still a drunk. I'm also a drug addict. I'm recovering, but I'm still an addict. I'll always be a drunk and I'll always be an addict and it is my most feverant hope that they will learn from my mistakes.
Kurt loved his daughter deeply and despite his addictions, I believe he was a good father. Did he f**k up? Definately, the same as I did. But he put his daughter first and foremost and loved her with all his heart and soul and that's what makes a good parent. I don't think Courtney puts Frances first no matter what she says. If she did, she never would have had her picture taken with that man sucking on her breast; she never would have behaved like a trashbag walking through the streets of london nude, getting an anus wax while pictures were being taken, beating up people because of an imagined slight, flashed Letterman, stiffed hotels, or yes, ODed in front of her daughter. At least Kurt tried to get clean. Even during the Rome OD there was no heroin found in his system which tells me he was trying to clean up and obviously succeeding until this happened. He put Frances first. Courtney puts Courtney first and that's a shame because Frances deserves so much better.
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