Get real. If that guy wanted the story out there that badly, he wouldn't be charging $28 for his 'pack'.
Has anyone thought that Courtney hasn't sued simply because the guy's a joke and nobody in their right mind would take him and his 'theories' seriously?
Post by ABERDEEN EDGEOFMYWORLD on Jul 20, 2004 1:28:30 GMT -5
THE KURT COBAIN MURDER INVESTIGATION The events surrounding the death of Kurt Cobain are filled with lies, contradictions in logic, and countless inconsistencies.
Here's just some of... WHAT YOU WERE NEVER TOLD:
COURTNEY LOVE WAS FACING A DIVORCE Kurt was in the process of leaving Seattle and his wife Courtney, when he was found dead. Courtney knew Kurt wanted out of the marriage. Just weeks prior to his death, she asked one of her attorneys to get the "meanest, most vicious divorce lawyer" she could find.
SOMEONE WAS USING KURT'S CREDIT CARD One of Kurt's credit cards was missing when his body was discovered. Someone was attempting to use the missing credit card after Cobain died, but the attempts stopped when his body was discovered.
COBAIN WAS IN FEAR OF HIS LIFE The shotgun found at the scene was purchased BEFORE Cobain left for rehab in Los Angeles, NOT AFTER he fled the rehab as reported by misinformed media sources. The shotgun was fully loaded with three shells. It was purchased and loaded for protection, not suicide. The police claim there were no legible fingerprints on this shotgun! The truth is, the shotgun wasn't even checked for fingerprints until May 6th, nearly one month after Cobain's body was found.
THERE WAS NO "SUICIDE" NOTE!! The note found at the scene by the police was immediately labeled as a "suicide note." The police report states it was "apparently written by Cobain to his wife and daughter, explaining why he had killed himself." But this note was not addressed to Kurt's wife and daughter and it says nothing about "killing himself!" This note was clearly written to Cobain's fans telling them he was quitting the music business. There was only a short footnote to Courtney and Frances and the handwriting contained in those lines has been questioned by several handwriting experts.
COURTNEY HAD ANOTHER NOTE SHE KEPT IN SECRET! Courtney was in possession of a second note after Kurt's body was found! SHE DIDN'T TELL ANYONE about this second note until several months later when information about it slipped out during an interview with Rolling Stone Magazine. The second note, the one that Courtney kept in secret, clearly defines the first note which was found at the scene of Cobain's death. The "second note" from Kurt plainly states he was leaving Courtney and he was leaving Seattle. He was NOT leaving the planet!
KURT COBAIN WAS INJECTED WITH 3 TIMES A LETHAL DOSE OF HEROIN!! Cobain's heroin, (morphine), blood level was 1.52 mgs per liter. This would require a minimum injection of 225 mgs of heroin, three times a lethal dose, even for a hardcore heroin addict! The drug Diazepam, was also found in Cobain's blood system.
THE OBVIOUS QUESTIONS: 1. If Cobain injected himself with a deliberate heroin overdose, why would he ALSO shoot himself in the head with a shotgun, leaving his baby daughter - the love of his life - with horrific visual images to remember him by? Why not just "go to sleep" on the overdose and never wake up? 2. IF Cobain injected three times a lethal dose of heroin, COULD he then pick up a shotgun and shoot himself? Wouldn't he have been immediately incapacitated?
Based on the heroin, (morphine), blood levels found in Cobain's body, preliminary research indicates Kurt Cobain would have been immediately incapacitated. He could not have picked
up that shotgun. He could not have pulled that trigger!
IN ADDITION... Cobain was not barricaded inside the room as reported by misinformed media sources. The stool which was supposedly wedged" against the door was actually just sitting in front of the two unlocked doors that only led out to a balcony.
Cobain did not leave his Driver’s License out for identification as reported by the media.
The first police officer on the scene found Cobain's closed wallet, opened it to remove Kurt's driver's license, and displayed it in order to take a photograph.
THE FACT IS... The police and the Medical Examiner have no forensic evidence that proves Cobain's death was a suicide. On the other hand, there's a substantial amount of evidence for murder. The official verdict of "suicide" was simply a rush to judgement which eventually painted the authorities into a corner as reports of so-called "copy-cat" suicides began making the news.
As you examine this case carefully, you're going to discover there's much more to the events surrounding Cobain's death than what you've been told.
Post by the REAL mrs cobain on Aug 4, 2004 9:18:54 GMT -5
Tom Grant is my favourtie, he has been working on this case and he is dedicated to bring Courtney Love to justice. Keep the good work up Tom!! He isn't a joke, he needs to make money, you would pay money for a cd, this is just the same. It happens to be VERY good for the money!!
Tom Grant is my favourtie, he has been working on this case and he is dedicated to bring Courtney Love to justice. Keep the good work up Tom!! He isn't a joke, he needs to make money, you would pay money for a cd, this is just the same. It happens to be VERY good for the money!!
Post by ilovelayne55 on Aug 15, 2004 0:27:57 GMT -5
Ladyloki writes:
"Get real. If that guy wanted the story out there that badly, he wouldn't be charging $28 for his 'pack'.
Has anyone thought that Courtney hasn't sued simply because the guy's a joke and nobody in their right mind would take him and his 'theories' seriously? "
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Consider the possibility too that she hasn’t sued because she’s afraid of touching it. Could be she's scared of having all these facts thrown at her and not knowing how to respond.
He isn’t proposing “theories” as you put it. He’s presented an account of his experiences with Courtney and leaves it up to the reader to draw their own conclusion. He hasn’t actually come out and accused her. Based on the way she allegedly behaved at that time it is not at all that much of a leap to at the very least call her behavior suspicious. Have you at all even taken the time to read his account? If you did you wouldn’t be calling it “theories”.
Come on. You can hardly say “nobody in their right mind” has taken him seriously. The guy’s been a licensed private investigator for 30 years and has worked with big name Hollywood celebrities. Sure you’re going to say that because you, for whatever reason, support her. But you can’t deny that the guy IS being taken seriously, like it or not.
Howard Stern was quoted as saying “people should read this book” in re: “Love and death: the murder of Kurt Cobain”.
Later that day we made plans to go to the Carnation property. Courtney told me Eric Erlandson, (guitarist in Courtney's band "Hole"), was going with us. A short time later Courtney took Eric into another room to talk. When they came out, Eric left the house alone in his van. "I thought Eric was going with us?" I asked. "He'll meet us there," Courtney replied. We left the house followed by a couple of television news vans which had been staked out at the Cobain residence. Losing the vans after a few blocks, I drove Courtney to the Carnation property with Kat Bjelland, (a long-time friend of Courtney's and guitarist for Babes In Toyland), in the back seat of my rental car. During the drive Courtney began talking about the "son of a pregnant dog" who gave the story to the Associated Press saying she had overdosed on April 2nd. She appeared agitated as she grumbled, "I'm going to find out who the hell it was and sue that mother f***er for libel. I can prove I was at the hotel. People saw me there. It was a total lie." "You told me you planted that story," I reminded Courtney. "Huh?...Oh" she responded, and turned to look out the window.”
Post by ilovelayne55 on Aug 15, 2004 2:39:33 GMT -5
IN RE: WHY DOESN'T COURTNEY SUE??
"THE "PURCHASE" OF CENSORSHIP... Intimidation, Hot Air, & High Priced Attorneys
Referring to the disclosure of the "Summary Of Events," Courtney's attorneys have taken out a full page ads in major media broadcasting magazines threatening to sue anyone who participates "either directly or indirectly, in the dissemination or publication of these statements..."
These same attorneys threatened me with lawsuits, criminal prosecution, and "SWIFT ACTION" when I first began speaking out about what I know. I've continued to ignore their threats since December of 1994. Where's the "swift action?"
These briefcase bullies threaten and intimidate, but when their "victim" stands firm, they slink away with their tail between their legs.
I said this then and I'll say it again now... THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO SUE ME OR ANYONE ELSE CONNECTED TO THIS INVESTIGATION.
I hope I'm wrong!
A lawsuit would create publicity for the investigation, the very thing they're trying to avoid. It would give me the opportunity to present disclosed and undisclosed evidence in a court of law. It would expose the truth about this whole smelly fraud. And a lawsuit would also bring immediate counter suits. I'm not after their filthy money, but if they really want to flex their muscles, they better be sure their pants don't fall down." -- FROM The Grant Files (source:http://www.killercourtney.8k.com/)
Go Tom! Too manypeople don't give him enough credit. I ain't looking for a fight but that guy is dedicated to say the least. www.cobaincase.com
Grant's sooo cool! He saved us all from Clinton and helped set the stage for George W Bush to get into office! He's just the sort of person Kurt would have loved. Let's all worship Tom Grant!
"You ever talk to Tom Grant?" "Tom Grant? The name sounds familiar." "He's that crazy investigator guy [who claims that Kurt Cobain was murdered]." "Oh, *that* motherf**ker. Uh, no. I think he's just a dipnuts. A total incompetent. I was with him for three days when he came up here. He is a total incompetent. He couldn't find his ass with a map." Dylan Carlson dsl.org/earth/dylanint.shtml
Post by Samantha McDonald on Sept 12, 2004 12:03:00 GMT -5
Guest-Melora said:
Grant's sooo cool! He saved us all from Clinton and helped set the stage for George W Bush to get into office! He's just the sort of person Kurt would have loved. Let's all worship Tom Grant!
That's one thing I don't like about Grant. I believe he has admitted he's a diehard Republican Conservative. That's all well and good, but I don't think a guy like Kurt would have liked him very much, or at least what he stands for. On the other hand if Grant is serious about solving this case, then I suppose it's good of him to put what he probably thinks of people like Kurt and Courtney in general aside and working on this.
God, I wonder what Kurt would have thought of Bush 2. I don't think he was too fond of the first Bush. If Kurt were still alive I think he'd be getting crapped on by "Republican conservatives" like Grant as "being un-patriotic" for joining all those artists like Michael Stipe, Pearl Jam, Green Day, NOFX, et al recording anti-war and anti-Bush songs. We'll never know.
I find it sad that people in this country are more interested and outraged at the fact that Clinton got a blow job and lied about it. That doesn't seem so bad now compared to what these knuckleheads in office now lied about (and continue to do so). Clinton's dumbass act didn't kill over 1000 soldiers (that we know of) and over 10,000 innocent civilians in a country that, despite what the What House keeps repeating as if that'll make it true, had nothing to do with 9/11. Because of that the country is so divided now. I think the case has stalled big time. Grant hasn't updated his site. Those guys that put out another book haven't said anything since April when they were on their big media tour. I think attempts to push for the case to be reopened now will (and has) fallen on deaf ears despite that new book that got a lot of press. I mean there is a f**king war going on, with maybe more on the way if the dopes in DC get their way. I hope someone figures this case out one day but sadly I feel it will not be any time soon.
I'm sure Grant is a big fan of Bush 2 and his war. But he thought Clinton was terrible. I wonder if like a lot of ultra-conservatives, Grant doesn't like sexual people. That may be a reason he disliked Courtney so much.
The case will never be reopened because Grant has refused to give the police the "smoking gun evidence" he claims to have. He wants them to open the case before he gives it to them. That won't happen. I think he's bluffing and doesn't even have the evidence.
Post by StooPidGirL on Sept 20, 2004 21:02:56 GMT -5
Guest-ABERDEEN said:
THE KURT COBAIN MURDER INVESTIGATION The events surrounding the death of Kurt Cobain are filled with lies, contradictions in logic, and countless inconsistencies.
Here's just some of... WHAT YOU WERE NEVER TOLD:
COURTNEY LOVE WAS FACING A DIVORCE Kurt was in the process of leaving Seattle and his wife Courtney, when he was found dead. Courtney knew Kurt wanted out of the marriage. Just weeks prior to his death, she asked one of her attorneys to get the "meanest, most vicious divorce lawyer" she could find.
SOMEONE WAS USING KURT'S CREDIT CARD One of Kurt's credit cards was missing when his body was discovered. Someone was attempting to use the missing credit card after Cobain died, but the attempts stopped when his body was discovered.
COBAIN WAS IN FEAR OF HIS LIFE The shotgun found at the scene was purchased BEFORE Cobain left for rehab in Los Angeles, NOT AFTER he fled the rehab as reported by misinformed media sources. The shotgun was fully loaded with three shells. It was purchased and loaded for protection, not suicide. The police claim there were no legible fingerprints on this shotgun! The truth is, the shotgun wasn't even checked for fingerprints until May 6th, nearly one month after Cobain's body was found.
THERE WAS NO "SUICIDE" NOTE!! The note found at the scene by the police was immediately labeled as a "suicide note." The police report states it was "apparently written by Cobain to his wife and daughter, explaining why he had killed himself." But this note was not addressed to Kurt's wife and daughter and it says nothing about "killing himself!" This note was clearly written to Cobain's fans telling them he was quitting the music business. There was only a short footnote to Courtney and Frances and the handwriting contained in those lines has been questioned by several handwriting experts.
COURTNEY HAD ANOTHER NOTE SHE KEPT IN SECRET! Courtney was in possession of a second note after Kurt's body was found! SHE DIDN'T TELL ANYONE about this second note until several months later when information about it slipped out during an interview with Rolling Stone Magazine. The second note, the one that Courtney kept in secret, clearly defines the first note which was found at the scene of Cobain's death. The "second note" from Kurt plainly states he was leaving Courtney and he was leaving Seattle. He was NOT leaving the planet!
KURT COBAIN WAS INJECTED WITH 3 TIMES A LETHAL DOSE OF HEROIN!! Cobain's heroin, (morphine), blood level was 1.52 mgs per liter. This would require a minimum injection of 225 mgs of heroin, three times a lethal dose, even for a hardcore heroin addict! The drug Diazepam, was also found in Cobain's blood system.
THE OBVIOUS QUESTIONS: 1. If Cobain injected himself with a deliberate heroin overdose, why would he ALSO shoot himself in the head with a shotgun, leaving his baby daughter - the love of his life - with horrific visual images to remember him by? Why not just "go to sleep" on the overdose and never wake up? 2. IF Cobain injected three times a lethal dose of heroin, COULD he then pick up a shotgun and shoot himself? Wouldn't he have been immediately incapacitated?
Based on the heroin, (morphine), blood levels found in Cobain's body, preliminary research indicates Kurt Cobain would have been immediately incapacitated. He could not have picked
up that shotgun. He could not have pulled that trigger!
IN ADDITION... Cobain was not barricaded inside the room as reported by misinformed media sources. The stool which was supposedly wedged" against the door was actually just sitting in front of the two unlocked doors that only led out to a balcony.
Cobain did not leave his Driver’s License out for identification as reported by the media.
The first police officer on the scene found Cobain's closed wallet, opened it to remove Kurt's driver's license, and displayed it in order to take a photograph.
THE FACT IS... The police and the Medical Examiner have no forensic evidence that proves Cobain's death was a suicide. On the other hand, there's a substantial amount of evidence for murder. The official verdict of "suicide" was simply a rush to judgement which eventually painted the authorities into a corner as reports of so-called "copy-cat" suicides began making the news.
As you examine this case carefully, you're going to discover there's much more to the events surrounding Cobain's death than what you've been told.
I haven't read all of this thread but I had to respond because its about Tom Grant. Can't you see that he was just out for his five minutes of fame which he has stretched out for nearly 10 years. When courtney hired him to find kurt, he saw this as an excellent opportunity to cash in on fame and fortune. All his so-called leads and proof are absoloute rubbish.
There was NOTHING suspicious about kurts death. There is nothing to investiagte. As far as I'm concerned, saying there was something suspicious about kurt's death is as ridiculous as saying Elvis is still alive. Get real and stuff Grant.