Rome suicide attempt.

[Danielle Loves Kurt]

Can somebody please tell me the reason that has been concocted for evidence against Courtney Love in regards to the Rome suicide attempt/drug overdose. I am wondering why this has been ignored. I wonder why ,if Courtney wanted to Kill Kurt so much then why didn't she just let him overdose in Rome? It seems silly to think she passed up that oppotunity and then decided to kill him a month later. Isn't this evidence that she didn't kill Kurt?

[itslikeatradeoff]

That was a bit strange wasn't it? Well I don't have any explanation for that sorry perhaps Hippie will. I'm sure of one thing: Kurt was murdered. As for Courtney plotting his death: it's an educated guess.

I have a question about this too. Now as you probablly remember when this happened it was reffered to as an "accident". Courtney was quoted saying that it was an accident. Kurt was quoted as saying it was an accident. Then Kurt winds up dead and by the looks of the scene the conclusion was it was suicide. In one of Courtney's many interviews surrounding her late husband she said it was a suicide attempt. Why would she do that?

[HippieChild]

I posted this at the link "Courtney wanted Kurt dead?" and I thought I'd repost it here to save some time.

By Courtney's own words, this stands out the most regarding the Rome Incident. Courtney claims to SPIN Magazine that this happened:

And so we ordered champagne, 'cause Pat [Smear} was with us for a little while, and Kurt doesn't drink, and then we put Frances to bed. And we started making out, and we fell asleep. He must have woken up and started writing me a letter about how he felt rejected. But I'm not sure I believe that because he wasn't rejected. We both fell asleep. Anyway, I woke up at, like, four in the morning to reach for him, basically to go f**k him, 'cause I hadn't seen him in so long. And he wasn't there. And I always get alarmed when Kurt's not there, 'cause I figure he's in the corner somewhere, doing something bad. And he's on the floor, and he's dead. There's blood coming out of his nostril. And he's fully dressed. He's in a corduroy coat, and he's got 1,000 American dollars clutched in one hand, which was gray, and a note in the other.

The frantic phone call Courtney made from her room took place at 6:30am. By Courtney's own words, she woke up at 4am and saw him there, and he was dead. Why did she wait for more than two hours before calling for an ambulance. She not only said this during the SPIN article, but she also told David Frick of Rolling Stone how she found Kurt unconscious some two to three hours before she called for an ambulance:

I turned over about 3 or 4 in the morning to make love, and he was gone. He was at the end of the bed with a thousand dollars in his pocket and a note saying ,"You don't love me anymore. I'd rather die than go through a divorce"...I can see how it happened. He took 50 f**king pills.

That's twice she's verified the time she woke up. The ambulance call was logged for 630 am, by the hotels own records. What was she doing for over two hours, applying her make-up? Because I'll tell you for sure, her make-up was picture perfect when the paparazzi snapped their picture in the ambulance.

There are two conflicting stories here. One is Courtney's version, that Kurt, who had bronchitis and was recommended to stop touring for two months, met Love and Frances at the hotel. According to Courtney, Kurt went all out; roses, champagne, a piece of the colliseum because he knew Courtney loved roman history. They had champagne, Courtney took a valium, they made out and passed out. Courtney woke up to see him fully clothed, on the floor, clutching 1000 dollars and looking, by her own words, dead.

The other version reports that Courtney had gone ballistic when Kurt backed out of Lollapalooza. Rosemary Carroll revealed a crucial piece of the chronological puzzle when she made it clear to Tom Grant that Kurt wanted a divorce. On Monday, March 1, in Munich, 2 days before he met up with Courtney in Rome, he phoned Courtney and their conversation ended in a fight, as had all their talks in the past week. He then called Rosemary Carroll and said he wanted a divorce. Within 60 hours he flew to Rome, wrote a three-page letter to Courtney declaring he was leaving her. A much different scenerio than the romantic one Courtney painted.

I guess the troubling factor is, if Courtney intended to kill Kurt in Rome, why did she call an abulance after she found him unconscious, thereby saving his life? Again, you have to look at the time factor, and Courtney's own words he was dead. Maybe she thought she had suceeded only to find out later that she failed. She found him at FOUR am yet the ambulance wasn't called until SIX, this by her own testimony. What was she doing for two and a half hours while her husband lay unconscience?

[itslikeatradeoff]

Let me guess Danielle. Is that bullocks as well?

[Danielle Loves Kurt]

Both the conflicting stories are true. Courtney was angry at Kurt for claiming he wouldn't play Lollapolloza [which was going to pay Nirvana a million dollars for their trouble] and Kurt did go all out.

Oh, I find your idea about Courtney thinking Kurt was dead at 4am and not doing anything until she realiszed he was alive at 6am quiet bias. Fair enough no ambulance was called but at 4.15am their was a panicked call from Courtney to the reception of the hotel calling for help, claiming her husband had overdosed. If she was trying to kill her husband than why did she have hotel staff in the room?

[HippieChild]

Oh, I find your idea about Courtney thinking Kurt was dead at 4am and not doing anything until she realiszed he was alive at 6am quiet bias. Fair enough no ambulance was called but at 4.15am their was a panicked call from Courtney to the reception of the hotel calling for help, claiming her husband had overdosed. If she was trying to kill her husband than why did she have hotel staff in the room?

I have no idea where you got that information but you are sadly misinformed. The first phone call, logged by the hotel staff, was at SIX THIRTY AM. Period. There was no 4:15 call from Courtney. That's the time she woke up, approx. The first call was at 6:30.

Your attempts at playing 'devils advocate' are feeble and lame. You have only partial information and half-truths, mostly based on the PR Courtney did which has been verified again and again as being inaccurate, yet you continue to use this as a sound argument. You are so lame. You have done zero research on this topic yet you act as if you know all. You don't. Most of us on this board have researched this subject quite thoroughly; through the internet, books, etc and have our facts straight. You don't. Before you post another word and make yourself look even more foolish than you already do, take the time to research thoroughly. And don't tell me "Tom is just in it to make a buck." He started this case on the premise that Courtney was innocent and didn't draw the conclusions he drew until he had ALL his facts. Also he has never taken a penny for his work. He has used his own time and money to investigate this case and could have sold it in a book years ago and made millions but he didn't. He did write a case manual a few years ago to finance his investigation but it was more important to get the information out and he made nothing because he freely gave the information to various people in order to get the info out, rather than capitalize on a tragedy. He's no fame wh0re. That's Courtney's department. He just wants justice done and as long as there are feeble little know-it-alls like you out there, who see the facts but look away with a lame excuse and a "Oh that didn't happen" justice will never get served.

[HippieChild]

until she realiszed he was alive at 6am quiet bias.

That's not what I wrote.

I guess the troubling factor is, if Courtney intended to kill Kurt in Rome, why did she call an abulance after she found him unconscious, thereby saving his life? Again, you have to look at the time factor, and Courtney's own words he was dead. Maybe she thought she had suceeded only to find out later that she failed.

Found out later, meaning at the hospital. Furthermore, sometime later that morning a female identifying herself as Courtney left a message with the head of Geffen Records saying that Kurt was dead. This call was apparently why some of the media wrongly reported, including CNN, that Kurt was dead. After an hour of panic and grief at Geffen it was discovered that the caller was an "impersonator." The question is, who discovered this and how did they know it wasn't really Courtney who called? Did she deny it because by that time they learned Kurt was still alive and assumed it was a hoax?

If the caller was Courtney then it shows she initially believed Kurt was dead and called the ambulance under the false impression that she had succeeded in killing her husband. It may have very well been a hoax, but I have to wonder why somebody would report Kurt dead when it hadn't been verified? Even more chilling is the fact that less than a month later, Kurt really was dead.

[Danielle Loves Kurt]

I find it hard to believe that if she wanted to kill him and ultimately by your version she did why she wouldn't be angry with the circumstances afterward. She couldn't have been to angry, they f**ked after Kurt woke up. Oh the information about the phone call came from staff at the hotel. They are witnesses.

[HippieChild]

find it hard to believe that if she wanted to kill him and ultimately by your version she did why she wouldn't be angry with the circumstances afterward. She couldn't have been to angry, they f**ked after Kurt woke up. Oh the information about the phone call came from staff at the hotel. They are witnesses.

Uh-uh. Wrong. The only time the front desk was called was to get a prescription filled for Courtney, a prescription for Rohypnol, which was later found in his system. After that, the next phone call came at 6:30 am. She did NOT call the front desk before that. All calls are logged in at the hotel and there is no mention of a 4am call from Courtney. This was verified by the staff and the phone records. Also, your claim that they f**ked after Kurt woke up is stupid. He woke up from a coma and they got it on? Yeah, okay. He woke up, asked for a milkshake, then wrote on a piece of paper to Courtney "F-uck you" and "Take these F-ucking tubes out of my nose." The significance of the FU to Courtney is only known by Courtney herself, but it doesn't sound like a husband whose glad to see his wife.

Anyway, those are the facts; believe what you want, fabricate what you want, whatever. Your feeble and you annoy me. Go away.

[Danielle Loves Kurt]

Doesn't sound like a man who loves his wife? Than why did they have sex? To me that sounds like they loved one another.

[HippieChild]

You know this HOW? What, were you in the bedroom with them? Or are you just going by what Courtney said.

BTW people who aren't in love have been known to have sex with each other. It's called hormones.

[Danielle Loves Kurt]

HippieChild said:

You know this HOW? What, were you in the bedroom with them? Or are you just going by what Courtney said.

BTW people who aren't in love have been known to have sex with each other. It's called hormones.

Hormones may exist for a couple of single people but if your married to someone and you have sex I'm pretty sure you love them. [even if your just in the mood] You wouldn't have sex with someone you hate. Actually Kurt and Courtney have both said that they had sex to the press. It was an interview with British rock press.

[HippieChild]

Right, they loved eachother soooo much that Kurt was going to divorce her. Rosemary Carroll had stated that by the time the Rome incident occured they had become "hateful" towards each other and she felt bad because she was being dragged into the middle of it. They may have said it to the press because of publicity, but I'd like to see the article myself. Also, shortly after the Rome incident Kurt had locked himself in the bathroom to get away from Courtney. Courtney called the police and told them he was going to kill himself and when Kurt came out, he denied it and said he was just trying to get away from his wife. She then admitted that she LIED (I'm so shocked! ) and was upbraided by the police, who then confiscated the weapons and his stomach medicine before leaving. Kurt then took off.

Yeah, they really loved each other.

[HippieChild]

It was an interview with British rock press.

Magazine name?? Article?? Interviewer? Please back up your information.

[Danielle Loves Kurt]

I'm not saying they were going to stay together but obviously at that time they didn't hate each other enough to sleep in different rooms and not have sex. You don't have sex with someone you hate.