Post by ME on Aug 30, 2004 16:20:44 GMT -5
I have been reading the various Courtney killed Kurt websites, (http://www.killercourtney.8k.com/ www.justiceforkurt.com www.cobaincase.com/ etc etc) Ive read Halprin/Wallace's bookS, seen the video..
and have been studying this for months now. My conclusion is, Nonsense; there is absolutely nothing there compared to the overwhelming evidence of suicide.
(just b/c some moron makes bad conclusions, like el duce passed a polygraph = el duce is telling the truth!!
or Kurt shot up three time the lethal dose of heroin so ther's no way he could have pulled the trigger in that state. the list can go on and on and on.)
I read some idiot oiin here saying, 'why won't she take a polygraph if she innocent' !!Why would she?
she doesn't have to prove anything,
would you do that??
I wouldn't, I would say f-off/
I have NOT seen a Single shred of evidence that she killed or had Kurt killed. JUST NOT ONE that would stand up to the evidenciary scrutiny of a criminal court/
People are out there selling books, videos, themselves..
Buy Tom Grant KC Invetigation Kits for $28 apiece.,
lol...((Tom Grant takes the cake for me, self-promoting loooooser...what an f'n creep... KC wouldve hated your f'n guts and ripped your f'n heart out Tom Grant, exploiter rapist piece of trash..I pray youget yours some day.. YOU are hurting his family, his child.. and I only hope it comes back to YOU))
Heresay and circumstance aside.. there is helluva a lot more reason to believe Kurt killed himself. (Read 'Heavier than Heaven', Read Kurt's own Journals)
He was racked with conflict and self-hate.. spoke & joked about suicide almost his entire life since adolescence, attempted suicide numerous times, including laying down on railroad tracks in high school) There is extensive history of suicide in his immediate family, as well as depression mental illness and addiction. (all of which often run in families) but most importantly, and crucial./..when they found him they had to pry the shotgun from his hands! what else do you need to know? He bought that shotgun himself (w/Dylan), only days before (how anyone can plan a murder with no weaponis beyond me?)
O Dylan musta done it, no it was El Duce, No it was Cali..Courtney had Cali do it.. yeah,uhu...unbelievable/
maybe he wanted to leave her maybe he wanted to get a divorce and rewrite his will....whatever/
He didn't, he killed himself instead..as he had fantasized about for years, as anyone who really cared about has repeatedly attested to.
and to those idiots who call Courtney a 'junkie' (liked they called Kurt a 'junkie' disgusting word) like that's some terrible or unusual thing for people to struggle with drugs. That kind of judgement from people is what helped lead him to hate himself so much, you judgemental pricks should know that/
Get an f'n clue, get a life. Kurt loved Courtney enough to marry her, and have a child, she brought him what little happiness he knew in his final years. (if he wanted to get away from her it was probably b/c she wanted to save him and he didn't want to be saved)
And you guys wanna judge her, like you're better than her, like being a 'junkie' is such an evil thing.
and just so you know, many many mothers give brith while being addicted to opiates and the children are fine.
(Courtneyt did better than this, she got off drugs once she foundout she was pregnant, they went to specialists to assure the baby was fine)
The truth is that opiates are not nearly as destructive to the body as most other drugs (alcohol, tobacco, cocaine, lsd) in fact they are physically benign (unless you become addicted, but even this can be controlled with small doeses of methodone) so their child is fine,
If you love Kurt, you should try and see who he really was (not who you are looking at him or judging)
what really drove him. It is hard for most 'normal' people to relate to, much less to really understand that level of confusion, depression, self-hatred and guilt.
You could have met him an hour b4 hand and he might've seemed fine,
People don't always 'look suicidal' they dont;wear a sign, this is a guy who spent his entire life hiding his feelings, feeling completely and utterly inadaquate..
that's probably why he found Courtney so compelling, she embodies a lot of the qualities (aggression, self confidence, ambition) he admired but lacked within himself.
Most people think, she must've b/c why would he work so hard to succeed only to kill himself?
Maybe just for that reason. the music, kept him from killing himself..until he succeeded//
On his way up, he always said, if he damaged his playing hand it would mean the end of his life.
once the music stopped meaning as much, once he had provided for his loved ones and proved them all wrong, he did what he had been dreaming for years of doing (sometimes in the most elaborate ways). He ended his own life.
He wanted to be idolized by millions and become a rock n roll martyr, 'just like Jimi Hendrix' and that's just what he did.
We Love you Kurt, You will not be forgotten.
kia, nyc/
ps:
let's say wildest case scenario, Kurt shoots himself up with $50.00 worth of crappy tar (forget about the '3 times a lethal dose' nonsense, addicts can do much much much higher amounts and still function.. much less od. When overdose levels are figured they are talking abut non-opiate addicts. Tolerance is everything.
So he shoots up in the greenhouse, he's laid out, and his mouth is open maybe b/c he's so messed up, nodding off... someone walks up and puts the gun in his mouth and shoots.. tell me,
How do they get him to grip the gun so tightly after killing him?
if you grip something tightly, and die quickly, the muscles may not release and you will then be found firmly gripping whatever it is you were hoilding when you died, as was the case here; the fingerprints smudged when they pried the weapon from his hands/
and have been studying this for months now. My conclusion is, Nonsense; there is absolutely nothing there compared to the overwhelming evidence of suicide.
(just b/c some moron makes bad conclusions, like el duce passed a polygraph = el duce is telling the truth!!
or Kurt shot up three time the lethal dose of heroin so ther's no way he could have pulled the trigger in that state. the list can go on and on and on.)
I read some idiot oiin here saying, 'why won't she take a polygraph if she innocent' !!Why would she?
she doesn't have to prove anything,
would you do that??
I wouldn't, I would say f-off/
I have NOT seen a Single shred of evidence that she killed or had Kurt killed. JUST NOT ONE that would stand up to the evidenciary scrutiny of a criminal court/
People are out there selling books, videos, themselves..
Buy Tom Grant KC Invetigation Kits for $28 apiece.,
lol...((Tom Grant takes the cake for me, self-promoting loooooser...what an f'n creep... KC wouldve hated your f'n guts and ripped your f'n heart out Tom Grant, exploiter rapist piece of trash..I pray youget yours some day.. YOU are hurting his family, his child.. and I only hope it comes back to YOU))
Heresay and circumstance aside.. there is helluva a lot more reason to believe Kurt killed himself. (Read 'Heavier than Heaven', Read Kurt's own Journals)
He was racked with conflict and self-hate.. spoke & joked about suicide almost his entire life since adolescence, attempted suicide numerous times, including laying down on railroad tracks in high school) There is extensive history of suicide in his immediate family, as well as depression mental illness and addiction. (all of which often run in families) but most importantly, and crucial./..when they found him they had to pry the shotgun from his hands! what else do you need to know? He bought that shotgun himself (w/Dylan), only days before (how anyone can plan a murder with no weaponis beyond me?)
O Dylan musta done it, no it was El Duce, No it was Cali..Courtney had Cali do it.. yeah,uhu...unbelievable/
maybe he wanted to leave her maybe he wanted to get a divorce and rewrite his will....whatever/
He didn't, he killed himself instead..as he had fantasized about for years, as anyone who really cared about has repeatedly attested to.
and to those idiots who call Courtney a 'junkie' (liked they called Kurt a 'junkie' disgusting word) like that's some terrible or unusual thing for people to struggle with drugs. That kind of judgement from people is what helped lead him to hate himself so much, you judgemental pricks should know that/
Get an f'n clue, get a life. Kurt loved Courtney enough to marry her, and have a child, she brought him what little happiness he knew in his final years. (if he wanted to get away from her it was probably b/c she wanted to save him and he didn't want to be saved)
And you guys wanna judge her, like you're better than her, like being a 'junkie' is such an evil thing.
and just so you know, many many mothers give brith while being addicted to opiates and the children are fine.
(Courtneyt did better than this, she got off drugs once she foundout she was pregnant, they went to specialists to assure the baby was fine)
The truth is that opiates are not nearly as destructive to the body as most other drugs (alcohol, tobacco, cocaine, lsd) in fact they are physically benign (unless you become addicted, but even this can be controlled with small doeses of methodone) so their child is fine,
If you love Kurt, you should try and see who he really was (not who you are looking at him or judging)
what really drove him. It is hard for most 'normal' people to relate to, much less to really understand that level of confusion, depression, self-hatred and guilt.
You could have met him an hour b4 hand and he might've seemed fine,
People don't always 'look suicidal' they dont;wear a sign, this is a guy who spent his entire life hiding his feelings, feeling completely and utterly inadaquate..
that's probably why he found Courtney so compelling, she embodies a lot of the qualities (aggression, self confidence, ambition) he admired but lacked within himself.
Most people think, she must've b/c why would he work so hard to succeed only to kill himself?
Maybe just for that reason. the music, kept him from killing himself..until he succeeded//
On his way up, he always said, if he damaged his playing hand it would mean the end of his life.
once the music stopped meaning as much, once he had provided for his loved ones and proved them all wrong, he did what he had been dreaming for years of doing (sometimes in the most elaborate ways). He ended his own life.
He wanted to be idolized by millions and become a rock n roll martyr, 'just like Jimi Hendrix' and that's just what he did.
We Love you Kurt, You will not be forgotten.
kia, nyc/
ps:
let's say wildest case scenario, Kurt shoots himself up with $50.00 worth of crappy tar (forget about the '3 times a lethal dose' nonsense, addicts can do much much much higher amounts and still function.. much less od. When overdose levels are figured they are talking abut non-opiate addicts. Tolerance is everything.
So he shoots up in the greenhouse, he's laid out, and his mouth is open maybe b/c he's so messed up, nodding off... someone walks up and puts the gun in his mouth and shoots.. tell me,
How do they get him to grip the gun so tightly after killing him?
if you grip something tightly, and die quickly, the muscles may not release and you will then be found firmly gripping whatever it is you were hoilding when you died, as was the case here; the fingerprints smudged when they pried the weapon from his hands/