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Post by NeitherSide on Jan 8, 2005 9:11:49 GMT -5
Hello, I would like to say some things here just to address the most common mistakes about Kurt Cobain's death and the circumstances of this event.
Kurt did it because he could not stand the stomach pains anymore. The source these stomach pains was found by a doctor who found and cured a pinched nerve near his stomach entry. In the alleged suicide note Kurt stated he thanks everyone "from the burning pit of his stomach" which means the note was written well before his death.
Postmortem would have seen when he was already dead (by overdose) when the gunshot was fired. Yes, they would, but that amount of heroin wouldn't have killed him instandly, but rendered him comatose instead. Plus let's assume that Rome was a murder attempt that went awry, wouldn't you make sure no-one could revive him the next time you tried? Remember he bought the gun after Rome because "He feared for his life."
Kurt was suicidal, just look at his lyrics! Just a few words: The Rolling Stones have had a lot of "suicidal" and negative lyrics. They haven't commited suicide have they? Are they suicidal? I don't find a lot of negative things in Kurt's lyrics, most of the time it's just a matter of interpretation. Kurt always said "The music comes before the lyrics" and that his lyrics "were not necessarily about himself". Furthermore, a *lot* of people found him more happy than ever the weeks before his death. I also hate that a lot of people say that MTV Unplugged sounds so depressing. They had to select songs because not all would sound good acousticly.
Kurt Cobain left everything in a way they could easily identify him, and he had barricaded the door. False. His drivers licence was not visible till a police officer exposed it. The stool was not wedged against the door (by the way, why would anyone who's about to commit suicide barricade himself when nobody's around?), it was a door that automatically locked when closed. His heroin kit, wallet and other things were found on his right hand side, he held the barrel of the gun with his left hand (indicating he pulled the trigger with his right hand). Only one flaw: Kurt was left-handed.
This is enough for now, if anyone wants to add or correct something, please do so.
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Post by lovestinksyeahyeah on Jan 8, 2005 10:51:00 GMT -5
that was a very good post. i never heard about the right hand, left hand thing. thanks for sharing. it was very interesting.
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Post by HippieChild on Jan 8, 2005 14:50:23 GMT -5
Excellent post. One question though; I've heard different accounts about Kurt being either left handed or ambidexterous, meaning he could use both hands equally. I've never found any sources though to back that up; mostly rumours posted online which cannot be substantiated. Have you ever heard that? I know such an ability is rare, but it's possible.
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Post by NeitherSide on Jan 9, 2005 6:09:04 GMT -5
Well, I can back that up using his own Journals (thankfully released, certainly thoroughly censored by CL though). When he was designing the Fender JagStang (about 1992-93) he specifically wanted a LEFT-HANDED model. Almost all his designs have "LEFT-HANDED!" (sic) written next to them, often underlined a few times. I don't know the exact pages because my version has no page numbering. It must be after the Vanity Fair-incident because it's right after the "9 month media blackout" lyrics, that later became "Radio Friendly Unit Shifter".
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Post by NeitherSide on Jan 9, 2005 6:18:23 GMT -5
I also want to add that though it does not prove he was left-handed, not ambidexterous, it shows Kurt definitely favoured using his left hand. I have never heard he was right-handed too, except for such rumours.
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Post by Danielle Loves Kurt on Jan 9, 2005 7:28:45 GMT -5
Kurt was in fact ambidexterous. This is because when he was young his father didn't want a left handed son so he tied his left arm behind his back when he wrote.
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Post by NeitherSide on Jan 9, 2005 7:58:40 GMT -5
Can you mention your source on that? I have nearly read all biographies but I can't recall reading that. It would be typically something for that redneck Don, however, I tend to believe that even when you are forced to write right-handed you automatically end up being left-handed again (My eldest brother was also forced to use his right hand but now he's just as left-handed as before).
Besides, being ambidexterous is a genetic condition, not a learned one.
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Post by itslikeatradeoff on Jan 9, 2005 12:19:04 GMT -5
Well, I can back that up using his own Journals (thankfully released, certainly thoroughly censored by CL though). When he was designing the Fender JagStang (about 1992-93) he specifically wanted a LEFT-HANDED model. Almost all his designs have "LEFT-HANDED!" (sic) written next to them, often underlined a few times. I don't know the exact pages because my version has no page numbering. It must be after the Vanity Fair-incident because it's right after the "9 month media blackout" lyrics, that later became "Radio Friendly Unit Shifter". Yes and if you have ever seen him live or seen a video of him playing live then you will see that he's playing the guitar how a left-handed person would play it.
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Post by HippieChild on Jan 9, 2005 13:29:07 GMT -5
Like I said, I'd only heard he was ambidextrous but had nothing to back it up so I don't know it to be fact. For all I know, that was a rumor started by Courtney to explain the gun positioning.
Donny sounds like a real piece of work. If I ever meet him face to face, remind me to kick his ass. I'm PMSing and got nothing better to do. ;D
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Post by HippieChild on Jan 9, 2005 17:11:47 GMT -5
At this point, I'm incline to believe he was merely left-handed. In all my readings I've never heard otherwise, except on various message boards and a few webpages dedicated to worshipping Kurt. The ambidexterous theory is probably a myth. Who knows?
Even if he was ambidexterous, it still doesn't account for the lethal dosage of heroin, the clean pen and gun, the combed hair nor the 4 flat tires. I still think he was murdered. I just don't know for certain it was Courtney, though circumstantial evidence seems to point toward her. The only one who claims to have smoking gun evidence is Tom Grant and he's holding onto it until he can turn it over to the DA when the case is reopened. I think he does have more evidence he's holding onto, including some tapes that he says are dam-ning beyond belief for Courtney. People have critized him in the past, claiming he was bluffing but after he released some of the tapes, more and more people are coming around. I'd sure like to be a fly on the wall when he's listening to them.....
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Post by Danielle on Jan 10, 2005 4:56:45 GMT -5
Can you mention your source on that? I have nearly read all biographies but I can't recall reading that. It would be typically something for that redneck Don, however, I tend to believe that even when you are forced to write right-handed you automatically end up being left-handed again (My eldest brother was also forced to use his right hand but now he's just as left-handed as before). Besides, being ambidexterous is a genetic condition, not a learned one. My source on the ambidexterous theory is from the book the Legend of Kurt Cobain. Yes, Don was a redneck prick and was pretty awful to Kurt, including being ashamed his son was left handed and doing his worst to change that.
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Post by HippieChild on Jan 10, 2005 11:41:04 GMT -5
I never heard of the book. Is it available on Amazon.com? I'd be interested in reading it. Was it written with the collaboration of Courtney Love? If so, I'd take that source with a grain of salt; hell, a block of it. If it is true, Donny is a real b-astard to do that to his son. Ashamed of a left-handed son? That was the 70's. In those days it was no big deal to be left handed, not like the 50's when kids were punished for it.
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Post by Danielle on Jan 10, 2005 12:13:26 GMT -5
I never heard of the book. Is it available on Amazon.com? I'd be interested in reading it. Was it written with the collaboration of Courtney Love? If so, I'd take that source with a grain of salt; hell, a block of it. If it is true, Donny is a real b-astard to do that to his son. Ashamed of a left-handed son? That was the 70's. In those days it was no big deal to be left handed, not like the 50's when kids were punished for it. I don't know if it's on amazon and a journalist wrote the book. I'd like to remind you Hippiechild that regardless of it being the 70's and being left handed was considered ok Kurt was from a very back ward redneck town and his father suited that mould. Aberdeen was like living in the 50's you know. Listen to Kurt talk about it. You're denying the culture of claustrophobic redneck towns with that statement.
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Post by HippieChild on Jan 10, 2005 13:03:00 GMT -5
What's the journalists name? Maybe I can do a name search and find it.
I'm not taking issue with you on that point. I don't know enough about it. I was merely pointing out that by the 70's being left-handed was widely accepted. That doesn't make Donny Cobain any less of a p-rick and if he did that, he's a major p-rick in my book.
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Post by NeitherSide on Jan 10, 2005 13:56:43 GMT -5
Simply googling for it doen't do the trick... I haven't heard of it either... Well whatever I'll have to do some more "research" to check this. However, I still want to stress that even though you may have been trained to be able to write right-handed, it still is counter-reflexive and, obviously, Kurt did strongly prefer using his left-hand. True ambidexterity is genetical and thus "learned" ambidexterity will never be the same, you'll keep a certain "bond" with your original "handedness". It's all a matter of brain structure, you can't help it. It's as simple as a reflex. We know that Donald was a real redneck (he even was a true Hoquaim logger), but when Wendy was with that guy that beat her and the kids, Kurt asked to live with his father, and they actually bonded quite well (that is, until Don remarried). So Don can't have been that much of a b'tard. He was a real men's man though. And Kurt wasn't exactly an easy kid, he liked to tease (actually the correct wording should be torture) the neighbours a lot and he would always get into trouble. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmbidextrousCertainly check the list of famous people. A whole lot of presidents and president-candidates there ;D I wonder if George W. can eat prezels with both hands ;D
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